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Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the fr

Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, or a single article that's positive about rightist policies or politicians. I bet you can't find any. Repeat this experiment, any minute, any hour, any day, any year, for the last 10 years, and you will get the same exact results.

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- faggotbreath 2y ago
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mtalantikite 2y ago
Just a quick look, here's one that plays into the mainstream narrative that Hamas is hiding out in hospitals and schools and therefore it's understandable to bomb them: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrikes-gaza-school-shelters-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrik...
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Was that on the front page? I just checked and couldn't find it there.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Does that make a difference or are y'all just constantly moving goalposts to fuel the narrative that media is inherently left-leaning? Because it's really not - especially not in the US. Go look through their articles. How many serve corporate interests? How many are fundamentally ultra-capitalists? You guys act like these are commies. No, they're right-leaning, just not far right insane wackos (Fox News). You're right, they're not out here questioning how black Kamala is. No, that absolutely does not make them left wing.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      > ...to fuel the narrative that media is inherently left-leaning? Right around this time 8 years ago, the election was over... in the media. Clinton won, trump didn't, in like September of 2016. Like, the world was collectively shocked. Because, according to the media, trump was cooked. How does that square?
      - sudosysgen 2y ago
        A big part of why Clinton won in the media while her rivals didn't is because she was the least left-leaning Democrat president candidate since, well, Clinton. Clinton's' vast corporate support is because she would lean to the right of the average American on most economic issues and was business as usual, in vast opposition to her rival. Compare for example media treatment of Sanders or even Warren when he opposed her and you can see that it's not her leftist tendencies that made her win in the media.
        dgfitz 2y ago
        > Compare for example media treatment of Sanders or even Warren when he opposed her and you can see that it's not her leftist tendencies that made her win in the media. Respectfully I don’t accept your premise here. You’re saying she was center of left? But still “left”, as it were? And you agree the media crowned her king months before the election? So the media ordained her the winner. You do agree or you do not?
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        I am saying that the media was enamored with her because she represented a shift rightwards compared to her predecessors, and that her campaign successfully shifted the leftmost acceptable economic policies to be to the right of the electorate. In that the media vastly prefered her over Trump, it was because she was pro-establishment and better aligned with corporate interests, not because she was economically to his left. The case of Warren and Sanders (where famously the media was happy to compare Sanders to Trump, reinforcing the idea that their opposition to Trump is not due to his right-wing economic policies) as well as the comparison to previous Democratic candidates is evidence I think is much more compelling than the assumption of leftwing/rightwing partisanship.
  - mtalantikite 2y ago
    It was, but it's fallen off at this point. Now most of the front page and editorial is about the US presidential debate that is about to happen, the coverage of which looks like any other mainstream establishment news publication in the US. Compare that to an actual leftist publication like The Nation, where the second most popular article is literally about the enduring legacy of Marx's Capital (lol): https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/wendy-brown-marx-capital/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/wendy-brown-marx-c... Or over at Jacobin where this is the top story: https://jacobin.com/2024/09/ruwa-romman-dnc-speech-palestine https://jacobin.com/2024/09/ruwa-romman-dnc-speech-palestine
- golergka 2y ago
  That's just a fact, its not a matter of opinion or leaning.
  - mtalantikite 2y ago
    Regardless of whether or not Hamas is hiding out amongst civilians, those civilians are still entitled to human rights protections under international law. The comment section on that article says it all; a bunch of people largely agreeing that it's the Palestinians fault they are getting killed in their shelters. But that is tangential to the discussion in this thread, which is that the NY Times is leftist. It's not. It, along with most of it's readership, is your typical establishment news organization in the US. Nothing status-quo shaking coming out of the NY Times. Here's a quick search on how a leftist publication covered something like the bombing of al-Shifa hospital: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propagan...
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    It's a fact that they've been using hospitals for non-medical purposes to some extent. However, it's also a fact that the Israeli government has been attempting to milk these finds for far more than they're worth, to an extent beyond embellishment and closer to outright fabrication (c.f. the alleged "command center" under al-Shifa, the Hamas "shift schedule" that was really just an ordinary Arabic calendar, and so on). In short: yes Hamas is bad, and all that. But for its own part, the Israeli government never seems to miss an opportunity to leverage available circumstances to undermine its own credibility.
relaxing 2y ago
Ross Douthat is still employed so your assertion falls flat on its face. Aside from that, right now I see an item claiming Harris has flip-flopped on progressive policies.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > Ross Douthat is still employed so your assertion falls flat on its face. I have no idea who that is. > Aside from that, right now I see an item claiming Harris has flip-flopped on progressive policies. I have no idea if this is true. Has she? Who is the authority on that?
  - relaxing 2y ago
    Then go read the NYT front page and find out? He’s always there because he’s pure clickbait. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant. “Flip flop” is an insult in politics.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Uh, no? Why the hell does anyone read mainstream media anymore?
sealeck 2y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/opinion/kamala-harris-democratic-convention.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/opinion/kamala-harris-dem... This was on the front page a couple of weeks ago
squigz 2y ago
Let's just assume you're right, and this experiment is true a majority of the time... wouldn't another possible explanation be that that's a perfectly fair representation of things? Both sides aren't always equal. Weighing the coverage of both sides to be equal would be misleading.
- gamepsys 2y ago
  If the unbiased view is leftist then an unbiased newspaper would be left leaning.
  - squigz 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure that's what I just said, yes.
greenie_beans 2y ago
find anything about gaza
cess11 2y ago
When I visit now the screen fills with headlines that are sympathetic to Harris and seems to support her candidacy. Obviously not a leftist bias.
aguaviva 2y ago
Find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, Found on the front page of the NYT website, just now, after a few seconds of skimming: Kathleen Kingsbury The Question Kamala Harris Couldn’t Answer

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mtalantikite 2y ago

Just a quick look, here's one that plays into the mainstream narrative that Hamas is hiding out in hospitals and schools and therefore it's understandable to bomb them: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrikes-gaza-school-shelters-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrik...

ImJamal 2y ago
Was that on the front page? I just checked and couldn't find it there.
- consteval 2y ago
  Does that make a difference or are y'all just constantly moving goalposts to fuel the narrative that media is inherently left-leaning? Because it's really not - especially not in the US. Go look through their articles. How many serve corporate interests? How many are fundamentally ultra-capitalists? You guys act like these are commies. No, they're right-leaning, just not far right insane wackos (Fox News). You're right, they're not out here questioning how black Kamala is. No, that absolutely does not make them left wing.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    > ...to fuel the narrative that media is inherently left-leaning? Right around this time 8 years ago, the election was over... in the media. Clinton won, trump didn't, in like September of 2016. Like, the world was collectively shocked. Because, according to the media, trump was cooked. How does that square?
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      A big part of why Clinton won in the media while her rivals didn't is because she was the least left-leaning Democrat president candidate since, well, Clinton. Clinton's' vast corporate support is because she would lean to the right of the average American on most economic issues and was business as usual, in vast opposition to her rival. Compare for example media treatment of Sanders or even Warren when he opposed her and you can see that it's not her leftist tendencies that made her win in the media.
      - dgfitz 2y ago
        > Compare for example media treatment of Sanders or even Warren when he opposed her and you can see that it's not her leftist tendencies that made her win in the media. Respectfully I don’t accept your premise here. You’re saying she was center of left? But still “left”, as it were? And you agree the media crowned her king months before the election? So the media ordained her the winner. You do agree or you do not?
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        I am saying that the media was enamored with her because she represented a shift rightwards compared to her predecessors, and that her campaign successfully shifted the leftmost acceptable economic policies to be to the right of the electorate. In that the media vastly prefered her over Trump, it was because she was pro-establishment and better aligned with corporate interests, not because she was economically to his left. The case of Warren and Sanders (where famously the media was happy to compare Sanders to Trump, reinforcing the idea that their opposition to Trump is not due to his right-wing economic policies) as well as the comparison to previous Democratic candidates is evidence I think is much more compelling than the assumption of leftwing/rightwing partisanship.
- mtalantikite 2y ago
  It was, but it's fallen off at this point. Now most of the front page and editorial is about the US presidential debate that is about to happen, the coverage of which looks like any other mainstream establishment news publication in the US. Compare that to an actual leftist publication like The Nation, where the second most popular article is literally about the enduring legacy of Marx's Capital (lol): https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/wendy-brown-marx-capital/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/wendy-brown-marx-c... Or over at Jacobin where this is the top story: https://jacobin.com/2024/09/ruwa-romman-dnc-speech-palestine https://jacobin.com/2024/09/ruwa-romman-dnc-speech-palestine
golergka 2y ago
That's just a fact, its not a matter of opinion or leaning.
- mtalantikite 2y ago
  Regardless of whether or not Hamas is hiding out amongst civilians, those civilians are still entitled to human rights protections under international law. The comment section on that article says it all; a bunch of people largely agreeing that it's the Palestinians fault they are getting killed in their shelters. But that is tangential to the discussion in this thread, which is that the NY Times is leftist. It's not. It, along with most of it's readership, is your typical establishment news organization in the US. Nothing status-quo shaking coming out of the NY Times. Here's a quick search on how a leftist publication covered something like the bombing of al-Shifa hospital: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propagan...
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- aguaviva 2y ago
  It's a fact that they've been using hospitals for non-medical purposes to some extent. However, it's also a fact that the Israeli government has been attempting to milk these finds for far more than they're worth, to an extent beyond embellishment and closer to outright fabrication (c.f. the alleged "command center" under al-Shifa, the Hamas "shift schedule" that was really just an ordinary Arabic calendar, and so on). In short: yes Hamas is bad, and all that. But for its own part, the Israeli government never seems to miss an opportunity to leverage available circumstances to undermine its own credibility.

relaxing 2y ago

Ross Douthat is still employed so your assertion falls flat on its face. Aside from that, right now I see an item claiming Harris has flip-flopped on progressive policies.

dgfitz 2y ago
> Ross Douthat is still employed so your assertion falls flat on its face. I have no idea who that is. > Aside from that, right now I see an item claiming Harris has flip-flopped on progressive policies. I have no idea if this is true. Has she? Who is the authority on that?
- relaxing 2y ago
  Then go read the NYT front page and find out? He’s always there because he’s pure clickbait. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant. “Flip flop” is an insult in politics.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Uh, no? Why the hell does anyone read mainstream media anymore?

sealeck 2y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/opinion/kamala-harris-democratic-convention.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/20/opinion/kamala-harris-dem... This was on the front page a couple of weeks ago

squigz 2y ago

Let's just assume you're right, and this experiment is true a majority of the time... wouldn't another possible explanation be that that's a perfectly fair representation of things? Both sides aren't always equal. Weighing the coverage of both sides to be equal would be misleading.

gamepsys 2y ago
If the unbiased view is leftist then an unbiased newspaper would be left leaning.
- squigz 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure that's what I just said, yes.

greenie_beans 2y ago

find anything about gaza

cess11 2y ago

When I visit now the screen fills with headlines that are sympathetic to Harris and seems to support her candidacy. Obviously not a leftist bias.

aguaviva 2y ago

Find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, Found on the front page of the NYT website, just now, after a few seconds of skimming: Kathleen Kingsbury The Question Kamala Harris Couldn’t Answer