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> Kathy Zhang, a senior analytics manager with The Times and the guild's unit chair, said, "Management has really dragged its feet when it comes to bargaining,"
by tqi 2y ago
> Kathy Zhang, a senior analytics manager with The Times and the guild's unit chair, said, "Management has really dragged its feet when it comes to bargaining," between the union formation and now.
Maybe tangential, but I would have guessed people managers were not eligible to be a member of the union. Does anyone know how eligibility is determined?
- arcticbull 2y agoMaybe the title is for an IC role, as for a "customer success manager."
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- AnotherGoodName 2y agoGenerally anyone below director level makes sense imho. The biggest advocate of pay rises and improvements to conditions is often the line level managers and those one step up from the line level managers. If this is a typical corporate job title this is a manager of line level managers. He probably has quarterly 1:1s or at least office hours supporting those at the lowest levels. It’s not like you become a line level manager, accept the 20% pay rises and suddenly change your outlook on everything. You’re never that far removed. Advocacy is important for management so I have no issues with this.
- xboxnolifes 2y agoThere's been a sucessful corporate ruse to make line level managers seem above line level workers and make line level works side against line level mamagers, while both sides are of the same labor class.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoI consider anyone who doesn’t have the power to spend money a supervisor (or someone whose role is to cover in the event of short staffing) instead of a manager. What are you even managing if you can’t spend a little more to ensure you have the people you need?
- benpacker 2y agoIf they don’t have firing / hiring power, they aren’t management according to US labor law. Most tech “* manager” roles where the object of management is not a person or team likely qualify.
- smoores 2y agoKathy isn’t a people manager, the Times just has confusing titles for its data folks. Product managers and project managers likewise often have “manager” in their titles without being people managers. No one with direct reports is allowed to be a member of the union!
- tqi 2y agoAh that makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
- intelVISA 2y agoIf you don't have significant ownership of the company you're a worker, no?
- advisedwang 2y agoThe NLRA doesn't protect "supervisors", which is mostly anyone who can hire/fire/discipline/etc. They technically are still able to unionize, but there is literally nothing stopping a company firing them for it.