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Extremists keep trying to sabotage the electrical grid. What if they succeed?

38 points by c420 2y ago

effingdone 2y ago
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aaron695 2y ago
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cyanydeez 2y ago
Tgey should just goto texas and claim victory every couple of months
kylehotchkiss 2y ago
My solar panels can't power my home if the grid goes down. Thoughts like this make me wish it would (yes, batteries, I know I know, but my panels are already a decade old so I'd rather pair with batteries when I upgrade to something new)
- blacksmith_tb 2y ago
  I am in exactly the same place (my panels are 12yr old, which also means that I can't make any changes to the system without bringing it up to code, which means replacing it all, basically). I have been eyeing the Impulse Labs induction range[1] as a stopgap for one of the biggest pain points of long power outages (super expensive though, even with credits... and doesn't heat the house or keep the food in the fridge good - but it does look like a really nice stove!) 1: https://www.impulselabs.com/ https://www.impulselabs.com/
  - Teever 2y ago
    I'm confused. How does an induction stove act as a stopgap for long power outages?
    - _aavaa_ 2y ago
      It comes with a 3kWh battery built in.
  - timschmidt 2y ago
    I used a panel made in 1975, in 2012, and it still put out it's rated wattage. A 37 year old panel. Why would anyone replace working panels that still have so much life left in them?
    - Facemelters 2y ago
      Efficiency and available roof space
      - timschmidt 2y ago
        This is a graph of solar panel efficiency over time: http://solartribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrel.gov-solar-cells-efficiency.jpg http://solartribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrel.gov-... Dark blue encompasses most mass produced commercial panels. Notice there's no change since 2008, and even a modern panel is only a few percent more efficient than the one I used from 1975. Were you just guessing?
    - kylehotchkiss 2y ago
      Woah! I didn't realize you get that much life. How's your inverter? Still using the original?
      - timschmidt 2y ago
        Inverter and batteries had long since been swapped out. I was about the fifth person to use the panel. I was staying with some original back-to-the-landers who had purchased the panel along with several others around the time it was made. They swore by Outback Power for their inverters, though I own and like an awful lot of Victron equipment now.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Why is getting batteries tied with getting new panels? is your system not modular and your can't upgrade to having batteries while using the old panels (but possibly also a new controller)?
idontwantthis 2y ago
This behavior is prescribed in the neo nazi bible. It’s oddly comforting because it’s so ineffective and even counterproductive to their goals. If your power goes out for a week are you more likely to 1) Murder your weird neighbor 2) Talk to your weird neighbor on the porch and find out he’s not actually that weird ?
- kombookcha 2y ago
  Yeah, it relies on a fundamentally faulty assumption that most people feel the same way they do or at least are adjacent enough to be open to their weird fantasy about instant ethnic violence arising from a brief disruption of normal operations. The 'silent majority is on our side but won't speak out' is a necessary pillar propping up their worldview, but doesn't survive contact with reality. The reality is that people tend to get closer with their local communities during crisis. Especially if that crisis is 'neo nazi dipshits broke the power grid and now we have to go next door and see if they're okay or need to borrow some drinking water from us'. Even if they succesfully fucked up the power for a week it would be a net negative for them.
- pvaldes 2y ago
  When we scratch a little a main motivation for this behavior is always greed. Most of the time, somebody, somewhere, is being paid for recruiting and directing the anger of dumb people against the desired target. Just last week there is the scandal of Tenet Media [1]. With a team of US youtubers being banned for Google for allegedly accepting 100k dollars a week (a week!), directly from Russia, to spread Kremlim propaganda from Tennessee Is hard to fight against this people because they are just a spendable, fully replaceable, part in the plot. Remove this people and other will come to fill the gap But, stop the money transference and things will change. Hunt and block the bank accounts of this people until a review was done. My bet is that people suddenly will stop trowing soup and gluing their body to invaluable pieces of Western culture, or leading people to assault the capitol in a clearly coordinated effort, or causing chaos on trains, or starting wildfires that cost everybody millions. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russia-funded-company-linked-social-media-stars/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russ...

38 points by c420 2y ago

effingdone 2y ago

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aaron695 2y ago

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cyanydeez 2y ago

Tgey should just goto texas and claim victory every couple of months

kylehotchkiss 2y ago

My solar panels can't power my home if the grid goes down. Thoughts like this make me wish it would (yes, batteries, I know I know, but my panels are already a decade old so I'd rather pair with batteries when I upgrade to something new)

blacksmith_tb 2y ago
I am in exactly the same place (my panels are 12yr old, which also means that I can't make any changes to the system without bringing it up to code, which means replacing it all, basically). I have been eyeing the Impulse Labs induction range[1] as a stopgap for one of the biggest pain points of long power outages (super expensive though, even with credits... and doesn't heat the house or keep the food in the fridge good - but it does look like a really nice stove!) 1: https://www.impulselabs.com/ https://www.impulselabs.com/
- Teever 2y ago
  I'm confused. How does an induction stove act as a stopgap for long power outages?
  - _aavaa_ 2y ago
    It comes with a 3kWh battery built in.
- timschmidt 2y ago
  I used a panel made in 1975, in 2012, and it still put out it's rated wattage. A 37 year old panel. Why would anyone replace working panels that still have so much life left in them?
  - Facemelters 2y ago
    Efficiency and available roof space
    - timschmidt 2y ago
      This is a graph of solar panel efficiency over time: http://solartribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrel.gov-solar-cells-efficiency.jpg http://solartribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/nrel.gov-... Dark blue encompasses most mass produced commercial panels. Notice there's no change since 2008, and even a modern panel is only a few percent more efficient than the one I used from 1975. Were you just guessing?
  - kylehotchkiss 2y ago
    Woah! I didn't realize you get that much life. How's your inverter? Still using the original?
    - timschmidt 2y ago
      Inverter and batteries had long since been swapped out. I was about the fifth person to use the panel. I was staying with some original back-to-the-landers who had purchased the panel along with several others around the time it was made. They swore by Outback Power for their inverters, though I own and like an awful lot of Victron equipment now.
fragmede 2y ago
Why is getting batteries tied with getting new panels? is your system not modular and your can't upgrade to having batteries while using the old panels (but possibly also a new controller)?

idontwantthis 2y ago

This behavior is prescribed in the neo nazi bible. It’s oddly comforting because it’s so ineffective and even counterproductive to their goals. If your power goes out for a week are you more likely to 1) Murder your weird neighbor 2) Talk to your weird neighbor on the porch and find out he’s not actually that weird ?

kombookcha 2y ago
Yeah, it relies on a fundamentally faulty assumption that most people feel the same way they do or at least are adjacent enough to be open to their weird fantasy about instant ethnic violence arising from a brief disruption of normal operations. The 'silent majority is on our side but won't speak out' is a necessary pillar propping up their worldview, but doesn't survive contact with reality. The reality is that people tend to get closer with their local communities during crisis. Especially if that crisis is 'neo nazi dipshits broke the power grid and now we have to go next door and see if they're okay or need to borrow some drinking water from us'. Even if they succesfully fucked up the power for a week it would be a net negative for them.
pvaldes 2y ago
When we scratch a little a main motivation for this behavior is always greed. Most of the time, somebody, somewhere, is being paid for recruiting and directing the anger of dumb people against the desired target. Just last week there is the scandal of Tenet Media [1]. With a team of US youtubers being banned for Google for allegedly accepting 100k dollars a week (a week!), directly from Russia, to spread Kremlim propaganda from Tennessee Is hard to fight against this people because they are just a spendable, fully replaceable, part in the plot. Remove this people and other will come to fill the gap But, stop the money transference and things will change. Hunt and block the bank accounts of this people until a review was done. My bet is that people suddenly will stop trowing soup and gluing their body to invaluable pieces of Western culture, or leading people to assault the capitol in a clearly coordinated effort, or causing chaos on trains, or starting wildfires that cost everybody millions. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russia-funded-company-linked-social-media-stars/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/doj-alleges-russ...