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> Seriously, can we come up with a better solution to these things? Like can browsers notify you about cookies instead in a non-intrusive way? Same with social

> Seriously, can we come up with a better solution to these things? Like can browsers notify you about cookies instead in a non-intrusive way? Same with social media nagware. I mean if it's notifying you in a non-intrusive way then it's not really notifying you. That said I absolutely agree with the spirit of your comment. All the EU regulations accomplished was adding an infuriating dialog about cookies that the vast majority of users just click-through anyway, which I suspect will also happen to anyone subjected to surgeon general's warnings about how bad social media is for you. They already click through the T's and C's without reading, I doubt this will be more interesting. This, IMO, is just another symptom of our individualist-obsessed culture. We'll tell people how terrible a thing is for them to consume, but ultimately, we also permit them to consume it. I don't think that's a wrong idea in and of itself, I'm generally pro-autonomy, but products that explicitly create addiction in their consumers are, IMO, an ethical gray area with regard to this and undermine the notion that they are being engaged with in a healthy way, which is core to the pro-autonomy argument. If you choose to consume alcohol, knowing the health issues it can cause, then I'm absolutely fine with you doing so, and extend that to any other harmful substance or product. If you are addicted to it, on the other hand... well, it's complicated.

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Cerium 2y ago
A check engine light is not a real notification? If a notification is standardized then it does not need to be intrusive.
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  Depends on the driver I guess... Some people will just ignore it till their car stops driving / turning on... The light also used to double as a maintenance light.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    It's still a maintenance light for many things. If you check over the list of diagnostic codes for any given model, they vary widely from a "should check this out next time it's convenient, something looks off" all the way to "PULL OVER RIGHT NOW." I'm old enough that I remember when it was commonplace to figure out what on earth your car was even mad about that you had to take it to a mechanic and pay for the privilege. That's one aspect I will absolutely give has improved both to new cars' infotainment systems that can give much more detailed information about what's wrong, and to the wide-spread adoption of DTC decoding devices/apps.
kergonath 2y ago
> All the EU regulations accomplished was adding an infuriating dialog about cookies that the vast majority of users just click-through anyway, which I suspect will also happen to anyone subjected to surgeon general's warnings about how bad social media is for you. I tend to agree regarding the current state of things, but most nagging pop-ups are not compliant with regulations, and are bound to get slammed sooner or later. I think they will last a couple of years before being seriously challenged and be gone (possible replaced by something worse, though).
- giancarlostoro 2y ago
  The issue is you have similar regulation from California, which is on sites that are not necessarily doing business in the EU, and vice versa. So while in some cases it might not be EU compliant, it might be CA compliant. This has spawned some services you pay for which handle the dialogs for you.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    To be fair this is probably a good thing. I would not expect a small website managed by a handful of people to know all the regulations inside and out. It’s similar to how they need to contract a proper accountant for taxes and balance sheets if they don’t have the skills to do it themselves. I’ve noticed some of these providers, they have a consistent layout and are localised, even on small sites purely designed for American audiences. If these services are good, then a lot of smaller website will be good as well without them needing to invest too much time or money in this.

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Cerium 2y ago

A check engine light is not a real notification? If a notification is standardized then it does not need to be intrusive.

giancarlostoro 2y ago
Depends on the driver I guess... Some people will just ignore it till their car stops driving / turning on... The light also used to double as a maintenance light.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  It's still a maintenance light for many things. If you check over the list of diagnostic codes for any given model, they vary widely from a "should check this out next time it's convenient, something looks off" all the way to "PULL OVER RIGHT NOW." I'm old enough that I remember when it was commonplace to figure out what on earth your car was even mad about that you had to take it to a mechanic and pay for the privilege. That's one aspect I will absolutely give has improved both to new cars' infotainment systems that can give much more detailed information about what's wrong, and to the wide-spread adoption of DTC decoding devices/apps.

kergonath 2y ago

> All the EU regulations accomplished was adding an infuriating dialog about cookies that the vast majority of users just click-through anyway, which I suspect will also happen to anyone subjected to surgeon general's warnings about how bad social media is for you. I tend to agree regarding the current state of things, but most nagging pop-ups are not compliant with regulations, and are bound to get slammed sooner or later. I think they will last a couple of years before being seriously challenged and be gone (possible replaced by something worse, though).

giancarlostoro 2y ago
The issue is you have similar regulation from California, which is on sites that are not necessarily doing business in the EU, and vice versa. So while in some cases it might not be EU compliant, it might be CA compliant. This has spawned some services you pay for which handle the dialogs for you.
- kergonath 2y ago
  To be fair this is probably a good thing. I would not expect a small website managed by a handful of people to know all the regulations inside and out. It’s similar to how they need to contract a proper accountant for taxes and balance sheets if they don’t have the skills to do it themselves. I’ve noticed some of these providers, they have a consistent layout and are localised, even on small sites purely designed for American audiences. If these services are good, then a lot of smaller website will be good as well without them needing to invest too much time or money in this.