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Lot of downvoting for having a different opinion in this thread. So people disagree with you and think that warrants a downvote? That's counter to the HN ethos.

Lot of downvoting for having a different opinion in this thread. So people disagree with you and think that warrants a downvote? That's counter to the HN ethos. I agree with you, don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC, that seems to be the counter argument here which just isn't the case

johnnyanmac 2y ago
Downvotes for being outright unaware of the GPU market. If you can build me a PS5 equivalent PC build for $500 I'll take you up on that. Cheapest 3080 I could find used was $600 by itself (and that's probably a GPU already ground to dust from mining). >don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC No, you don't. But if you want to compare a PC to a console, you should use equivalent specs. People who just want a convinient way to play games (not AAA games) can pick up a steam deck for $200-300 and be set for life. But that's not who Sony is targeting.
- dangus 2y ago
  You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q24H6D https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q24H6D It’s $900, but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. so you’re breaking even after about 2 years, not counting the cost savings of PC games (I can buy Elden ring for under $50 via cheapshark.com, but it’s $70 on the PS Store) Also, common components like case, power supply, and storage almost never have to be replaced when a PC is upgraded. Sony is making you throw out all those common components. [1] https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-pro-vs-playstation-5-specs-performance-compared https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-pro-vs-playstatio...
  - yesimahuman 2y ago
    Yea and if Sony isn't targeting the super budget conscious then who does this target? I don't get it. $700 is too much to buy this console as a gift (say, for a kid), and if you're a passionate gamer then I think the argument that you might start looking at alternatives in the PC space is pretty compelling. For me, I think the PS5 has a real fit in my house especially as my kids play it, and so does my PC which I haven't upgraded in years. I see no reason to buy the PS5 pro given it's in that no mans land price-wise.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      $700 for a full console and 1200 for a single GPU is still a magnitude of difference.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Yes, I'm comparing building a machine to to the base ps5. If I'm building my own machine I may as well use an Nvidia card. That's where the costs build up. Eeven a last gen used Nvidia card is more expensive than a pro. It's not even worth talking about the 4000 series if you care at all about costs. >but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. I don't play online. Sony's done a great job this year giving me less reasons to play as well. >not counting the cost savings of PC games This isn't Nintendo. You can get most AAA games half off of you wait 6 months post launch anyways. Quantity of games doesn't rally matter these days anyways. Gamepass beats both if that's your most important metric.
    - dangus 2y ago
      The base PS5 can be beat with like a sub-$200 GPU or even a computer with high end integrated graphics like a Beelink mini PC or perhaps even a laptop that one may already own. Quantity of games doesn’t matter but platform compatibility, extensibility, and longevity does. Consoles have compromised modding, no ability to install custom software like open source game engine replacements (OpenMW and OpenTTD), limited support of third party or customized hardware (Stream Deck, specialized simulation hardware, VR, etc). Consoles make you throw out your old controllers when you get a new system, they often compromise or drop backwards compatibility with previous game libraries, and some even shut down their digital game stores. The PS3 almost shut theirs down before people complained. Now you can only buy games with PS Store balance, direct credit card purchases aren’t supported. The 3DS and WiiU eShop are gone. And we didn’t even start talking about emulation or mouse and keyboard oriented games that suck on console. The most popular game of all time (Minecraft) is significantly worse on console and can’t be played with the extensive modding available that can completely transform the game (e.g., the Create mod). The Sims is awful with a controller. RimWorld, Stardew Valley, Cities Skylines, the entire survival crafting genre - all better games on mouse and keyboard.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

Downvotes for being outright unaware of the GPU market. If you can build me a PS5 equivalent PC build for $500 I'll take you up on that. Cheapest 3080 I could find used was $600 by itself (and that's probably a GPU already ground to dust from mining). >don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC No, you don't. But if you want to compare a PC to a console, you should use equivalent specs. People who just want a convinient way to play games (not AAA games) can pick up a steam deck for $200-300 and be set for life. But that's not who Sony is targeting.

dangus 2y ago
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q24H6D https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q24H6D It’s $900, but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. so you’re breaking even after about 2 years, not counting the cost savings of PC games (I can buy Elden ring for under $50 via cheapshark.com, but it’s $70 on the PS Store) Also, common components like case, power supply, and storage almost never have to be replaced when a PC is upgraded. Sony is making you throw out all those common components. [1] https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-pro-vs-playstation-5-specs-performance-compared https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-pro-vs-playstatio...
- yesimahuman 2y ago
  Yea and if Sony isn't targeting the super budget conscious then who does this target? I don't get it. $700 is too much to buy this console as a gift (say, for a kid), and if you're a passionate gamer then I think the argument that you might start looking at alternatives in the PC space is pretty compelling. For me, I think the PS5 has a real fit in my house especially as my kids play it, and so does my PC which I haven't upgraded in years. I see no reason to buy the PS5 pro given it's in that no mans land price-wise.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    $700 for a full console and 1200 for a single GPU is still a magnitude of difference.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Yes, I'm comparing building a machine to to the base ps5. If I'm building my own machine I may as well use an Nvidia card. That's where the costs build up. Eeven a last gen used Nvidia card is more expensive than a pro. It's not even worth talking about the 4000 series if you care at all about costs. >but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. I don't play online. Sony's done a great job this year giving me less reasons to play as well. >not counting the cost savings of PC games This isn't Nintendo. You can get most AAA games half off of you wait 6 months post launch anyways. Quantity of games doesn't rally matter these days anyways. Gamepass beats both if that's your most important metric.
  - dangus 2y ago
    The base PS5 can be beat with like a sub-$200 GPU or even a computer with high end integrated graphics like a Beelink mini PC or perhaps even a laptop that one may already own. Quantity of games doesn’t matter but platform compatibility, extensibility, and longevity does. Consoles have compromised modding, no ability to install custom software like open source game engine replacements (OpenMW and OpenTTD), limited support of third party or customized hardware (Stream Deck, specialized simulation hardware, VR, etc). Consoles make you throw out your old controllers when you get a new system, they often compromise or drop backwards compatibility with previous game libraries, and some even shut down their digital game stores. The PS3 almost shut theirs down before people complained. Now you can only buy games with PS Store balance, direct credit card purchases aren’t supported. The 3DS and WiiU eShop are gone. And we didn’t even start talking about emulation or mouse and keyboard oriented games that suck on console. The most popular game of all time (Minecraft) is significantly worse on console and can’t be played with the extensive modding available that can completely transform the game (e.g., the Create mod). The Sims is awful with a controller. RimWorld, Stardew Valley, Cities Skylines, the entire survival crafting genre - all better games on mouse and keyboard.