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I really don't think that follows, especially if Russia pursued the same strategy it has for decades now of generating a low level insurgency that it heavily su

I really don't think that follows, especially if Russia pursued the same strategy it has for decades now of generating a low level insurgency that it heavily supports but does not overtly participate in.

abraxas 2y ago
I doubt that will work in the specific case of Poland as Russian minority is virtually non-existent here. There is of course a sizable Ukrainian diaspora now but I doubt they will go turncoat in large numbers.
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Russias trooo participated fully as insurgents in the donbas conflict. There are even videos of the participating troops admitting to it.So a insurgency is not needed, just the illusion of one.
keiferski 2y ago
Entirely different situation compared to Ukraine, Georgia, etc. and there is basically no group of people that would make up that insurgency.
piva00 2y ago
Salami slicing will not work in Poland, the country is both part of EU and NATO, not only part of the EU but its eastern border, Germany is right next there as a neighbour. Any aggression towards Poland is a very different level and degree than against Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. Do you really believe the EU and NATO would sit on their hands in case some low level pro-Russia insurgency popped up in Byalystok or Lublin? Not only that, do you believe the Polish government would be doing nothing and accepting pro-Russian separatism cropping up anywhere in its territory? I don't think there's anything the Poles hate more than Russian imperialism, not even sure if they hate Hitler more than that to be honest...
- aguaviva 2y ago
  I don't think there's anything the Poles hate more than Russian imperialism, not even sure if they hate Hitler more than that to be honest... Rather than alluding to some imagined well-spring of "hate" within the Polish character or soul, another take on the Polish attitude, which I personally favor, goes like this: They're done with being invaded, occupied, pushed around and/or talked down to by all of their various neighbors and competing empires over the past many centuries. Meanwhile, most of them (even by far their worst occupier in recent memory -- the Germans) seem to have learned a thing or two, and have moved on to other (more subtle, and in any case non-violent/coercive ) forms of one-up-manship in the great game of national assertiveness of competition. Except for one of course. And that's the one they rationally devote their concerns in regard to, in the present moment.
  - ptsneves 2y ago
    I like a lot this perspective, and I think it is true on the everyday attitude, but deep inside Poles remember history.

abraxas 2y ago

I doubt that will work in the specific case of Poland as Russian minority is virtually non-existent here. There is of course a sizable Ukrainian diaspora now but I doubt they will go turncoat in large numbers.

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Russias trooo participated fully as insurgents in the donbas conflict. There are even videos of the participating troops admitting to it.So a insurgency is not needed, just the illusion of one.

keiferski 2y ago

Entirely different situation compared to Ukraine, Georgia, etc. and there is basically no group of people that would make up that insurgency.

piva00 2y ago

Salami slicing will not work in Poland, the country is both part of EU and NATO, not only part of the EU but its eastern border, Germany is right next there as a neighbour. Any aggression towards Poland is a very different level and degree than against Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. Do you really believe the EU and NATO would sit on their hands in case some low level pro-Russia insurgency popped up in Byalystok or Lublin? Not only that, do you believe the Polish government would be doing nothing and accepting pro-Russian separatism cropping up anywhere in its territory? I don't think there's anything the Poles hate more than Russian imperialism, not even sure if they hate Hitler more than that to be honest...

aguaviva 2y ago
I don't think there's anything the Poles hate more than Russian imperialism, not even sure if they hate Hitler more than that to be honest... Rather than alluding to some imagined well-spring of "hate" within the Polish character or soul, another take on the Polish attitude, which I personally favor, goes like this: They're done with being invaded, occupied, pushed around and/or talked down to by all of their various neighbors and competing empires over the past many centuries. Meanwhile, most of them (even by far their worst occupier in recent memory -- the Germans) seem to have learned a thing or two, and have moved on to other (more subtle, and in any case non-violent/coercive ) forms of one-up-manship in the great game of national assertiveness of competition. Except for one of course. And that's the one they rationally devote their concerns in regard to, in the present moment.
- ptsneves 2y ago
  I like a lot this perspective, and I think it is true on the everyday attitude, but deep inside Poles remember history.