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I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^

by izacus 2y ago

linotype 2y ago
EU companies dodge and bend rules all the time. See: VW, AirBus, etc.
- Y-bar 2y ago
  And they do get their day in the courts as well: From _today_ in a judgement pretty much identical to the one on Apple/Ireland: > Commission orders recovery of around €14 million in incompatible German State aid from Frankfurt-Hahn airport and Ryanair https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_4588 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... --- > On Friday, January 31, 2020, courts in France, the United Kingdom, and the United States approved analogous versions of a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) between prosecutors and Airbus that include a combined fine of $3.96 billion for the aircraft manufacturer. The resolution ends multi-year investigations by the French National Financial Prosecutor’s Office (Parquet National Financier or PNF), the U.K. Serious Fraud Office (SFO), and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2020/01/four-years-and-almost-4-billion-airbus-corruption-investigations-end-with-sky-high-fine https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2020/01/four-ye... > Antitrust: Commission fines car manufacturers €875 million for restricting competition in emission cleaning for new diesel passenger cars https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_3581 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...
- scott_w 2y ago
  And it's wrong when they do it, too.
  - drstewart 2y ago
    So we should correctly call it "european corpspeak"
    - scott_w 2y ago
      > I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^ Only if they're doing this.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      Only if they use the word "uncertainty" in that way. Do they?
    - ncruces 2y ago
      Did VW ever complain about uncertainty in diesel gate? When you do shit to bend and avoid complying with the rules as much as possible, you don't get to complain about uncertainty on application of said rules.
- izacus 2y ago
  Yep, which is why they get the stick of courts as well. What a strange argument.
  - linotype 2y ago
    What’s strange is to say it’s only an anerican issue.
    - izacus 2y ago
      Which is why I didn't say that :D
      - linotype 2y ago
        > I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^ What does “american” here mean then?
- Nasrudith 2y ago
  It is no surprise culturally that they do. When innocence/technical compliance with the law is no defense against the law why bother?
immibis 2y ago
That's exactly right. Corporations need the law to be as predictable as a computer program, so they can find exactly where the loopholes are and slip through them. I'd be surprised if American politicians didn't make laws this way on purpose. A law that says "you aren't taxed on money you send to overseas subsidiaries" is trivially gameable. A law that says "don't evade tax" is not, so corporations hate not knowing which side of the blurry line they're on. An ethical corporation (as if that exists) would just stay clear of the blurry region and have no problem.
Nasrudith 2y ago
Well yeah. The prime way they avoid the law is compliance. You would also be pretty pissed off if you couldn't avoid a law fining you for something you couldn't avoid.
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I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^

by izacus 2y ago

I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^

linotype 2y ago

EU companies dodge and bend rules all the time. See: VW, AirBus, etc.

Y-bar 2y ago
And they do get their day in the courts as well: From _today_ in a judgement pretty much identical to the one on Apple/Ireland: > Commission orders recovery of around €14 million in incompatible German State aid from Frankfurt-Hahn airport and Ryanair https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_4588 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... --- > On Friday, January 31, 2020, courts in France, the United Kingdom, and the United States approved analogous versions of a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) between prosecutors and Airbus that include a combined fine of $3.96 billion for the aircraft manufacturer. The resolution ends multi-year investigations by the French National Financial Prosecutor’s Office (Parquet National Financier or PNF), the U.K. Serious Fraud Office (SFO), and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2020/01/four-years-and-almost-4-billion-airbus-corruption-investigations-end-with-sky-high-fine https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2020/01/four-ye... > Antitrust: Commission fines car manufacturers €875 million for restricting competition in emission cleaning for new diesel passenger cars https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_3581 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_...
scott_w 2y ago
And it's wrong when they do it, too.
- drstewart 2y ago
  So we should correctly call it "european corpspeak"
  - scott_w 2y ago
    > I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^ Only if they're doing this.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    Only if they use the word "uncertainty" in that way. Do they?
  - ncruces 2y ago
    Did VW ever complain about uncertainty in diesel gate? When you do shit to bend and avoid complying with the rules as much as possible, you don't get to complain about uncertainty on application of said rules.
izacus 2y ago
Yep, which is why they get the stick of courts as well. What a strange argument.
- linotype 2y ago
  What’s strange is to say it’s only an anerican issue.
  - izacus 2y ago
    Which is why I didn't say that :D
    - linotype 2y ago
      > I find it interesting how in american corpspeak "uncertanty" pretty much always means "our lawyers can't find a way to avoid this law without getting caught" ^^ What does “american” here mean then?
Nasrudith 2y ago
It is no surprise culturally that they do. When innocence/technical compliance with the law is no defense against the law why bother?

immibis 2y ago

That's exactly right. Corporations need the law to be as predictable as a computer program, so they can find exactly where the loopholes are and slip through them. I'd be surprised if American politicians didn't make laws this way on purpose. A law that says "you aren't taxed on money you send to overseas subsidiaries" is trivially gameable. A law that says "don't evade tax" is not, so corporations hate not knowing which side of the blurry line they're on. An ethical corporation (as if that exists) would just stay clear of the blurry region and have no problem.

Nasrudith 2y ago

Well yeah. The prime way they avoid the law is compliance. You would also be pretty pissed off if you couldn't avoid a law fining you for something you couldn't avoid.

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