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You want to impose mandatory ID checks and end anonymous online activity to compensate for inadequate parenting?

toomuchtodo 2y ago
MyGovID. https://my.gov.au/en/about/help/digital-id https://my.gov.au/en/about/help/digital-id > myGovID is the Australian Government’s Digital ID app which allows you to prove who you are when accessing government online services. You can choose to connect your myGovID to your myGov account. Because parents are not equipped to defend their children at scale from the threat actors mentioned. Again, high support of these measures from the public. You’re blaming parents for the digital equivalent of tobacco and alcohol. Victim blaming has no place here.
- maxwell 2y ago
  I strongly oppose digital ID as it seems to enable CBDCs, social credit systems, and mass censorship. Already in production in China. Well beyond anything Orwell wrote about. Scary to see these apparent stepping stones to totalitarianism in the west.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Good luck with your cause. No snark. Checks and balances.
    - maxwell 2y ago
      Thanks. Hope you reconsider supporting digital ID and consider the consequences.
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  - phs318u 2y ago
    Perfectly reasonable to have a position opposing digital ID, however to this outsider, the US seems to be quite happily using other stepping-stones to head in the same direction.
- samsin 2y ago
  >high support of these measures from the public The public support is for an age limit of social media (which already exists), not necessarily the measures to achieve it which are yet to be determined. There's not 68% support of using measures like digital ID.
TheAlchemist 2y ago
Inadequate parenting ? It's not always black and white. Pretty much every parent I know, is against their kid using phones at school. And yet, as most kids have phones already, they end up buying one for their kids too. I will inevitably do too. Of course you can take a hard stance and not doing it - but the social isolation your kid would risk, could end up worse. I'm getting increasingly disillusioned by the whole idea of 'freedom' on the internet. That worked well until big companies and states figured out how to take advantage of it - for profit & influence. And then invested billions with very specific objectives - how to make you addicted to it, and how to influence your thoughts. It's an unfair game.
- maxwell 2y ago
  > they end up buying one for their kids too. I will inevitably do too. Yes, that sounds like inadequate parenting. The answer doesn't seem to be show-me-your-papers in order to access websites.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    What is adequate parenting in your estimation?
    - maxwell 2y ago
      On this specific issue: not giving kids phones. Case for tablets, watches, desktops/laptops, cameras, etc. depending on individual maturity, but their use is to be appropriately monitored, e.g. no social media in most cases. This parental responsibility is not be to outsourced to quasi-government surveillance entities with unclear private interests and security practices.
      - jrflowers 2y ago
        > Case for tablets, watches, desktops/laptops This makes sense. Social media is much less harmful over wifi vs cellular data or when viewed through a tablet form factor mobile app vs phone form factor mobile app
jay_kyburz 2y ago
You can be anonymous to the public, doesn't mean you have to be anonymous to the platform holder. Bad actors need to be held to account for harmful content.

MyGovID. https://my.gov.au/en/about/help/digital-id https://my.gov.au/en/about/help/digital-id > myGovID is the Australian Government’s Digital ID app which allows you to prove who you are when accessing government online services. You can choose to connect your myGovID to your myGov account. Because parents are not equipped to defend their children at scale from the threat actors mentioned. Again, high support of these measures from the public. You’re blaming parents for the digital equivalent of tobacco and alcohol. Victim blaming has no place here.

maxwell 2y ago
I strongly oppose digital ID as it seems to enable CBDCs, social credit systems, and mass censorship. Already in production in China. Well beyond anything Orwell wrote about. Scary to see these apparent stepping stones to totalitarianism in the west.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Good luck with your cause. No snark. Checks and balances.
  - maxwell 2y ago
    Thanks. Hope you reconsider supporting digital ID and consider the consequences.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- phs318u 2y ago
  Perfectly reasonable to have a position opposing digital ID, however to this outsider, the US seems to be quite happily using other stepping-stones to head in the same direction.
samsin 2y ago
>high support of these measures from the public The public support is for an age limit of social media (which already exists), not necessarily the measures to achieve it which are yet to be determined. There's not 68% support of using measures like digital ID.

TheAlchemist 2y ago

Inadequate parenting ? It's not always black and white. Pretty much every parent I know, is against their kid using phones at school. And yet, as most kids have phones already, they end up buying one for their kids too. I will inevitably do too. Of course you can take a hard stance and not doing it - but the social isolation your kid would risk, could end up worse. I'm getting increasingly disillusioned by the whole idea of 'freedom' on the internet. That worked well until big companies and states figured out how to take advantage of it - for profit & influence. And then invested billions with very specific objectives - how to make you addicted to it, and how to influence your thoughts. It's an unfair game.

maxwell 2y ago
> they end up buying one for their kids too. I will inevitably do too. Yes, that sounds like inadequate parenting. The answer doesn't seem to be show-me-your-papers in order to access websites.
- jrflowers 2y ago
  What is adequate parenting in your estimation?
  - maxwell 2y ago
    On this specific issue: not giving kids phones. Case for tablets, watches, desktops/laptops, cameras, etc. depending on individual maturity, but their use is to be appropriately monitored, e.g. no social media in most cases. This parental responsibility is not be to outsourced to quasi-government surveillance entities with unclear private interests and security practices.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      > Case for tablets, watches, desktops/laptops This makes sense. Social media is much less harmful over wifi vs cellular data or when viewed through a tablet form factor mobile app vs phone form factor mobile app

jay_kyburz 2y ago

You can be anonymous to the public, doesn't mean you have to be anonymous to the platform holder. Bad actors need to be held to account for harmful content.