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> It wasn't part of my daily routine, so I would forget to charge it. So maybe the problem is your daily routine, not the fact that the battery life is objecti

by wubrr 2y ago

> It wasn't part of my daily routine, so I would forget to charge it. So maybe the problem is your daily routine, not the fact that the battery life is objectively better? It's like if you bought a laptop with too little RAM, and you try to explain that its actually an advantage because it forces you to run less applications. It's absurd to the max.

wlesieutre 2y ago
Yes, longer battery life would be better. But aside from the times when I've had bug-induced battery drain, I never run out of battery and it's not something I worry about. So I also don't really care about the battery life being shorter than my Pebble's was. Apple could triple the battery life to 3 days, but as you've just pointed out it should still be part of my daily routine to charge it, and if I'm not charging it every day to make sure it's a habit this is a "problem" with my daily routine (your words). So supposing the battery gets better, and I fix my problematic routine and make sure to charge it every day, now the extra 2 days of battery life are literally pointless. So I can see why Apple has prioritized thinness over a larger battery.
- wubrr 2y ago
  Your personal preference when it comes to not caring about battery life doesn't change the fact that Apple watch battery life is amongst the worst on the market. Just like if you don't care that your laptop has only 2GB RAM - that doesn't mean it's a good amount of RAM or some kind of advantage over 32GB of RAM. Explaining away objective deficiencies with personal preferences and anecdotes is not at all convincing or useful.
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    If a laptop with 2 GB of RAM met my needs and I was happy with it, would you get in an argument with me about how actually my laptop is deficient because other laptops have bigger RAM numbers on their spec sheet, even if my RAM usage never exceeds 2 GB? I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on how important battery life is. To me, improvements beyond “one day including some time with the GPS and heart rate sensors running” aren’t worth anything. I’d much rather they keep making it thinner, because compared to the Pebble Time its biggest deficiency is still how chunky it is. But of course your preferences may differ, and as you noted there are other smart watches on the market with longer battery life. I’m certainly not stopping you from using one of those instead if your preference is to prioritize long battery life.
    - wubrr 2y ago
      > If a laptop with 2 GB of RAM met my needs and I was happy with it, would you get in an argument with me about how actually my laptop is deficient because other laptops have bigger RAM numbers on their spec sheet, even if my RAM usage never exceeds 2 GB? If you tried to make an argument that having the 2GB RAM is an advantage I would challenge you on that. Yes. > I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on how important battery life is. I didn't say anything about how important battery life is, and I don't really care. My issue is not with the battery life, but with the absurd reasoning and mental gymnastics you guys are doing to literally try and pretend an objective deficiency is an advantage.
  - sanswork 2y ago
    Does it have the worst battery life on the market when comparing like to like? Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker. What are android watches like for battery life that would be a better comparison.
    - wubrr 2y ago
      Yes it does, and I can give you many examples. However, the following thing you said tells me that having a rational conversation with you is unlikely: > Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker.
      - sanswork 2y ago
        And like people who complain that apples laptops are too expensive you'll be bringing out examples with far fewer features, slower processors, worse displays and battery lives that only exist when the user doesn't track or run anything I'm guessing. If you think Garmin watches are at all comparable to apple watches while still maintaining those long battery lives you've never used a Garmin watch for anything.
        wubrr 2y ago
        So many vacuous claims about supposed missing features, worse displays, worse battery life... and yet the only hard evidence/example in this entire comment chain is the horrible battery life of the apple watch... You're not even trying to be honest or rational.
        sanswork 2y ago
        Because all of those things impact battery life. You are trading improved performance and features for worse battery life. These are not unrelated. My Swatch has a battery life that makes any Garmin on the market seem pathetic. Is it fair to compare the two on battery life?

by wubrr 2y ago

wlesieutre 2y ago

Yes, longer battery life would be better. But aside from the times when I've had bug-induced battery drain, I never run out of battery and it's not something I worry about. So I also don't really care about the battery life being shorter than my Pebble's was. Apple could triple the battery life to 3 days, but as you've just pointed out it should still be part of my daily routine to charge it, and if I'm not charging it every day to make sure it's a habit this is a "problem" with my daily routine (your words). So supposing the battery gets better, and I fix my problematic routine and make sure to charge it every day, now the extra 2 days of battery life are literally pointless. So I can see why Apple has prioritized thinness over a larger battery.

wubrr 2y ago
Your personal preference when it comes to not caring about battery life doesn't change the fact that Apple watch battery life is amongst the worst on the market. Just like if you don't care that your laptop has only 2GB RAM - that doesn't mean it's a good amount of RAM or some kind of advantage over 32GB of RAM. Explaining away objective deficiencies with personal preferences and anecdotes is not at all convincing or useful.
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  If a laptop with 2 GB of RAM met my needs and I was happy with it, would you get in an argument with me about how actually my laptop is deficient because other laptops have bigger RAM numbers on their spec sheet, even if my RAM usage never exceeds 2 GB? I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on how important battery life is. To me, improvements beyond “one day including some time with the GPS and heart rate sensors running” aren’t worth anything. I’d much rather they keep making it thinner, because compared to the Pebble Time its biggest deficiency is still how chunky it is. But of course your preferences may differ, and as you noted there are other smart watches on the market with longer battery life. I’m certainly not stopping you from using one of those instead if your preference is to prioritize long battery life.
  - wubrr 2y ago
    > If a laptop with 2 GB of RAM met my needs and I was happy with it, would you get in an argument with me about how actually my laptop is deficient because other laptops have bigger RAM numbers on their spec sheet, even if my RAM usage never exceeds 2 GB? If you tried to make an argument that having the 2GB RAM is an advantage I would challenge you on that. Yes. > I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on how important battery life is. I didn't say anything about how important battery life is, and I don't really care. My issue is not with the battery life, but with the absurd reasoning and mental gymnastics you guys are doing to literally try and pretend an objective deficiency is an advantage.
- sanswork 2y ago
  Does it have the worst battery life on the market when comparing like to like? Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker. What are android watches like for battery life that would be a better comparison.
  - wubrr 2y ago
    Yes it does, and I can give you many examples. However, the following thing you said tells me that having a rational conversation with you is unlikely: > Garmin isn't like to like since it's not really a smart watch it's an exercise tracker.
    - sanswork 2y ago
      And like people who complain that apples laptops are too expensive you'll be bringing out examples with far fewer features, slower processors, worse displays and battery lives that only exist when the user doesn't track or run anything I'm guessing. If you think Garmin watches are at all comparable to apple watches while still maintaining those long battery lives you've never used a Garmin watch for anything.
      - wubrr 2y ago
        So many vacuous claims about supposed missing features, worse displays, worse battery life... and yet the only hard evidence/example in this entire comment chain is the horrible battery life of the apple watch... You're not even trying to be honest or rational.
        sanswork 2y ago
        Because all of those things impact battery life. You are trading improved performance and features for worse battery life. These are not unrelated. My Swatch has a battery life that makes any Garmin on the market seem pathetic. Is it fair to compare the two on battery life?