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It's a psychological game. People are primed to want new things, and more investment into something old is hard to justify even if it's financially right. Also

It's a psychological game. People are primed to want new things, and more investment into something old is hard to justify even if it's financially right. Also OS's lose supprt, softwares bloat, and bundled offers from carriers are toward replacement. You'd have to be really disciplined to not succumb to upgrade pressure when you go into an Apple Store of all places where the entire setup is to generate sales.

paulmd 2y ago
you literally make an appointment on the website and check in and then walk to the back of the store and drop your phone off
- lupire 2y ago
  You have to walk past 50 iDevices of Applied Silicon with coordinated beam forming transmitting Reality Distortion Fields into your brain
dghlsakjg 2y ago
An Apple Store is one of the least sales oriented retail environments. You can go in and play with stuff for hours, chat with people who work there who can’t even make sales, and drop things off for them to repair. They don’t even have cash registers in most of them. Most of the time I go into an Apple Store I don’t buy anything, and I’ve never gone in and bought something that I didn’t plan on buying before I arrived.
- seec 2y ago
  Yet when you do the training to work in it, they insist for quite a while that they make more money per square foot than diamond merchant. Don't kid yourself, it's not because you can visit for free that the whole thing isn't design to extract the most money possible...
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    Of course they gross more money than a jewelry store. That sounds impressive, but really isn't if you think about it. They sell very popular items that almost everyone in any mall in the country owns some version of that people WANT to buy every few years at most(computer, phone, headphones). Jewelry stores sell items that a lot of people will never own, and they sell items that people might buy every 5 years if they are really good customers.
scarface_74 2y ago
iOS 18 will support phones released back to 2018. iOS 15 got a security update less than 2 months ago. iOS 15 supports devices released in 2015. How much further back should Apple support devices?
- pishpash 2y ago
  Uh, for as long as they work? That used to be the support model norm before this disposable software/disposable hardware culture from the 2000's.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Were you around during the first 17 years of personal computers? A computer from 1986 would be useless in 1996. A computer from 1996 would be useless in 2006. Computers were getting so much faster so fast back then, that obsolescence was really a big deal. There is physically no hardware support for 32 bit software on modern iPhones. Do you suggest that Apple still supports 32 bit iPhones and 64 bit iPhones? Would third party developers want to support phones back to the iPhone 6 that is 6x slower and has 1/8 the RAM of a modern iPhone? Should Apple support phones like the 3GS that doesn’t support LTE and has 256KB of RAM?
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    The phones and software don't stop working when they aren't supported anymore. They just don't get more free updates. You can keep using the device in perpetuity with the same software that you have on it right now. Its a relatively recent phenomenon that the OS and all updates are free. You used to have to pay for the OS on your hardware at each update. If I wanted to go from OSx Tiger to OSX leopard on my first Macbook, it cost me $99 at the time. That computer still works fine with Leopard. It does everything Apple said it would do when they sold it to me. Why would I be entitled for it to do the things that the latest macbook does?
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Well… If you still have a 2G or 3G only phone - in this case the iPhone 4s and earlier from 2011, they will stop working. Also many websites will be inaccessible on older devices because of SSL certs.

paulmd 2y ago

you literally make an appointment on the website and check in and then walk to the back of the store and drop your phone off

lupire 2y ago
You have to walk past 50 iDevices of Applied Silicon with coordinated beam forming transmitting Reality Distortion Fields into your brain

dghlsakjg 2y ago

An Apple Store is one of the least sales oriented retail environments. You can go in and play with stuff for hours, chat with people who work there who can’t even make sales, and drop things off for them to repair. They don’t even have cash registers in most of them. Most of the time I go into an Apple Store I don’t buy anything, and I’ve never gone in and bought something that I didn’t plan on buying before I arrived.

seec 2y ago
Yet when you do the training to work in it, they insist for quite a while that they make more money per square foot than diamond merchant. Don't kid yourself, it's not because you can visit for free that the whole thing isn't design to extract the most money possible...
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  Of course they gross more money than a jewelry store. That sounds impressive, but really isn't if you think about it. They sell very popular items that almost everyone in any mall in the country owns some version of that people WANT to buy every few years at most(computer, phone, headphones). Jewelry stores sell items that a lot of people will never own, and they sell items that people might buy every 5 years if they are really good customers.

scarface_74 2y ago

iOS 18 will support phones released back to 2018. iOS 15 got a security update less than 2 months ago. iOS 15 supports devices released in 2015. How much further back should Apple support devices?

pishpash 2y ago
Uh, for as long as they work? That used to be the support model norm before this disposable software/disposable hardware culture from the 2000's.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Were you around during the first 17 years of personal computers? A computer from 1986 would be useless in 1996. A computer from 1996 would be useless in 2006. Computers were getting so much faster so fast back then, that obsolescence was really a big deal. There is physically no hardware support for 32 bit software on modern iPhones. Do you suggest that Apple still supports 32 bit iPhones and 64 bit iPhones? Would third party developers want to support phones back to the iPhone 6 that is 6x slower and has 1/8 the RAM of a modern iPhone? Should Apple support phones like the 3GS that doesn’t support LTE and has 256KB of RAM?
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  The phones and software don't stop working when they aren't supported anymore. They just don't get more free updates. You can keep using the device in perpetuity with the same software that you have on it right now. Its a relatively recent phenomenon that the OS and all updates are free. You used to have to pay for the OS on your hardware at each update. If I wanted to go from OSx Tiger to OSX leopard on my first Macbook, it cost me $99 at the time. That computer still works fine with Leopard. It does everything Apple said it would do when they sold it to me. Why would I be entitled for it to do the things that the latest macbook does?
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Well… If you still have a 2G or 3G only phone - in this case the iPhone 4s and earlier from 2011, they will stop working. Also many websites will be inaccessible on older devices because of SSL certs.