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> We’re at a point where regular users already have everything they need [...] We still don't have: - an iPhone SE1-sized device - USB-C on a "medium" (iPhon

> We’re at a point where regular users already have everything they need [...] We still don't have: - an iPhone SE1-sized device - USB-C on a "medium" (iPhone Mini)-sized device - Touch ID or non-OLED screen on a non-budget device - 3.5mm headphone jack (even after they backtracked on removing most ports from Macbooks) Yeah basically can I just have a 2016 with an updated SoC please.

mirsadm 2y ago
You and two other people want that. Every time they've released small phones they've not sold well. It's a small but extremely vocal community of people that constantly ask for this stuff.
- jraph 2y ago
  Many women I know would be interested in a small phone (in part because for some reason clothes makers collectively decided that women should not have big pockets, or any at all, and in part because of smaller hands on average). It's probably not all women, maybe not most, but I can't believe there's not an important market, it seems like a common enough situation.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    The corollary to women's clothes have no pocket is that women have purses, which are often large enough to hold a bigger phone.
    - rollcat 2y ago
      Well, don't you find this situation quite sexist? I'm not a woman, but I know many who 1. refuse to carry a purse; 2. are deeply unsatisfied with trends in clothing such as small pockets (and no they can't just wear men's clothes because women's bodies are shaped differently); 3. whose hands are too small to comfortably use a large (branded as "normal") or even medium (branded as "mini") phone. There's a billion other ways women are being discriminated against every day. But yeah, it doesn't sell.
    - pocketpockets 2y ago
      There are women's clothes with pockets, they're just harder to find which I why I set up https://www.pocketsforwomen.co.uk https://www.pocketsforwomen.co.uk to help with that. I almost garroted myself attempting to supervise a toddler on soft play with a handbag, so I'm not a fan
      - rollcat 2y ago
        Someone already managed to downvote you, shame on them. Thank you for what you're doing.
        pocketpockets 2y ago
        Thanks!
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  It's still millions of people who buy an iphone mini, but that's basically a rounding error when they're selling hundreds of millions per year, 3-5% from a quick google.
iknowstuff 2y ago
None of those are happening. Small phones don’t sell.
- rollcat 2y ago
  Accessibility also doesn't "sell". Apple used to care about making their products actually accessible. They already have all the money. What's the real excuse? Do they just not care?
  - iknowstuff 2y ago
    I get the impression they’re still pretty accessible.
- robertoandred 2y ago
  The SE does. iPhones have always sold well, no matter the size.
  - paulmd 2y ago
    No. Mini did notably terrible across every generation it's been tried. https://www.slashgear.com/1234403/apples-decision-to-cancel-the-iphone-mini-vindicated-by-new-report/ https://www.slashgear.com/1234403/apples-decision-to-cancel-...
    - rollcat 2y ago
      Flagship iPhones are premium products. Many "regular users" don't see value in getting a $/€1k phone every couple of years - this is the entire point of this thread.
      - paulmd 2y ago
        I don't disagree, but the market placement of the iphone has nothing to do with the continued poor sales of the mini series every time it's been tried. And the mini ran for multiple generations and none of them sold well. Much like the 3.5mm jack, people just cannot admit that it's not a very popular idea. Extremely popular among a very small niche, incredibly unpopular if not actively dispreferred outside of it.
unethical_ban 2y ago
What is the benefit of a non-OLED screen, and how niche is that ask? I'm assuming the benefit is "no burn-in" but is the risk of burn-in going to affect people in a 5 year timespan? And I think the 3.5mm ship has sailed, right behind the "persistent notification LED" ship. Fsck me if I can understand how not a single manufacturer has figured out that a bright, persistent, multi-color LED/OLED notification is a desirable zero-hardware-cost feature.
- jraph 2y ago
  Re: the notification led, is it because of the wish that the screen should take the whole surface? Reviews complain about the "lost" space. Personally I value the notification led more, and don't mind some borders.
- rollcat 2y ago
  > What is the benefit of a non-OLED screen [...]? Accessibility. https://rubenerd.com/the-iphone-14/ https://rubenerd.com/the-iphone-14/
- dmitrygr 2y ago
  > how not a single manufacturer has > figured out that a bright, persistent, > multi-color LED/OLED notification is > a desirable zero-hardware-cost feature. a LED has nonzero cost. The case having a hole for it also has a cost, as does engineering the hole not to be a weak point. It may not be hard or expensive, but nonzero nonetheless.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    The software to control a reliable AOD LED light is trivial. Some phones like OnePlus do temporary lighting. Persistent lighting without burn in is doable and I wish someone would take it up. Aodnotify is glitchy.
AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
Why do you want a non-OLED screen?

mirsadm 2y ago

You and two other people want that. Every time they've released small phones they've not sold well. It's a small but extremely vocal community of people that constantly ask for this stuff.

jraph 2y ago
Many women I know would be interested in a small phone (in part because for some reason clothes makers collectively decided that women should not have big pockets, or any at all, and in part because of smaller hands on average). It's probably not all women, maybe not most, but I can't believe there's not an important market, it seems like a common enough situation.
- fragmede 2y ago
  The corollary to women's clothes have no pocket is that women have purses, which are often large enough to hold a bigger phone.
  - rollcat 2y ago
    Well, don't you find this situation quite sexist? I'm not a woman, but I know many who 1. refuse to carry a purse; 2. are deeply unsatisfied with trends in clothing such as small pockets (and no they can't just wear men's clothes because women's bodies are shaped differently); 3. whose hands are too small to comfortably use a large (branded as "normal") or even medium (branded as "mini") phone. There's a billion other ways women are being discriminated against every day. But yeah, it doesn't sell.
  - pocketpockets 2y ago
    There are women's clothes with pockets, they're just harder to find which I why I set up https://www.pocketsforwomen.co.uk https://www.pocketsforwomen.co.uk to help with that. I almost garroted myself attempting to supervise a toddler on soft play with a handbag, so I'm not a fan
    - rollcat 2y ago
      Someone already managed to downvote you, shame on them. Thank you for what you're doing.
      - pocketpockets 2y ago
        Thanks!
jazzyjackson 2y ago
It's still millions of people who buy an iphone mini, but that's basically a rounding error when they're selling hundreds of millions per year, 3-5% from a quick google.

iknowstuff 2y ago

None of those are happening. Small phones don’t sell.

rollcat 2y ago
Accessibility also doesn't "sell". Apple used to care about making their products actually accessible. They already have all the money. What's the real excuse? Do they just not care?
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  I get the impression they’re still pretty accessible.
robertoandred 2y ago
The SE does. iPhones have always sold well, no matter the size.
- paulmd 2y ago
  No. Mini did notably terrible across every generation it's been tried. https://www.slashgear.com/1234403/apples-decision-to-cancel-the-iphone-mini-vindicated-by-new-report/ https://www.slashgear.com/1234403/apples-decision-to-cancel-...
  - rollcat 2y ago
    Flagship iPhones are premium products. Many "regular users" don't see value in getting a $/€1k phone every couple of years - this is the entire point of this thread.
    - paulmd 2y ago
      I don't disagree, but the market placement of the iphone has nothing to do with the continued poor sales of the mini series every time it's been tried. And the mini ran for multiple generations and none of them sold well. Much like the 3.5mm jack, people just cannot admit that it's not a very popular idea. Extremely popular among a very small niche, incredibly unpopular if not actively dispreferred outside of it.

unethical_ban 2y ago

What is the benefit of a non-OLED screen, and how niche is that ask? I'm assuming the benefit is "no burn-in" but is the risk of burn-in going to affect people in a 5 year timespan? And I think the 3.5mm ship has sailed, right behind the "persistent notification LED" ship. Fsck me if I can understand how not a single manufacturer has figured out that a bright, persistent, multi-color LED/OLED notification is a desirable zero-hardware-cost feature.

jraph 2y ago
Re: the notification led, is it because of the wish that the screen should take the whole surface? Reviews complain about the "lost" space. Personally I value the notification led more, and don't mind some borders.
rollcat 2y ago
> What is the benefit of a non-OLED screen [...]? Accessibility. https://rubenerd.com/the-iphone-14/ https://rubenerd.com/the-iphone-14/
dmitrygr 2y ago
> how not a single manufacturer has > figured out that a bright, persistent, > multi-color LED/OLED notification is > a desirable zero-hardware-cost feature. a LED has nonzero cost. The case having a hole for it also has a cost, as does engineering the hole not to be a weak point. It may not be hard or expensive, but nonzero nonetheless.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  The software to control a reliable AOD LED light is trivial. Some phones like OnePlus do temporary lighting. Persistent lighting without burn in is doable and I wish someone would take it up. Aodnotify is glitchy.

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago

Why do you want a non-OLED screen?