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why would you try to do that?

by _ZeD_ 2y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
So you pay less income tax? Every tax avoid-er tries to find deductions from nothing.
JohnFen 2y ago
To avoid the social consequences amongst your peers? Perhaps that's not an issue in Norway, but it's an issue in the US. I don't want my coworkers to know how much I make because if I'm making substantially more or less than them, it will affect how they perceive and interact with me.
- marzipanWhale 2y ago
  Norwegian here. This isn't really an issue, as far as I can tell. I feel in general most people get paid fairly, so if you're doing the same work as someone else the pay won't be that different. I've always shared and talked salary with my coworkers, both when I was earning the least and the most of my coworkers. When I earned the least, they helped me with how to approach my boss for a raise; and now when I'm the best paid, I help my coworkers get what they deserve.
  - mewpmewp2 2y ago
    What if you are a kind of an high achiever, and companies would be willing to pay more for your output than an average one? Or assume you do 2x better work, they initially pay you the same, then you get a better offer elsewhere, and they would want to match, but if they do, you would be getting paid a lot more than your coworkers.
- patall 2y ago
  Why do you not want for everyone to be treated fairly? If I earn more without good reason, why should I be more loyal to some rich owner than to my colleague that I am interacting with on a daily basis. Do people in the US think like this? (Note though: I don't think many people acyually check each others tax returns, as that kind of already implies enviousness.)
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > Why do you not want for everyone to be treated fairly? That's a strange assumption to make. Of course I want everyone to be treated fairly. > why should I be more loyal to some rich owner It's not a matter of loyalty to some rich owner (particularly if I'm making much less than my coworkers[1]). It's a matter of getting along in the workplace. [1] I have, and probably will again, taken positions where I was overtly underpaid because I was getting something else out of the job that I valued more than the money. But (at least in the US), people tend to equate your pay level with your skill level and value, so I certainly wouldn't want my coworkers to know.
  - mewpmewp2 2y ago
    > (Note though: I don't think many people acyually check each others tax returns, as that kind of already implies enviousness.) I wouldn't directly check it, if they see that I have done so, but if I could have someone else check or similar, I would definitely get it checked what everyone makes. Not specifically because of envy, but it would just be a no brainer thing to do in terms of understanding the market.

why would you try to do that?

by _ZeD_ 2y ago

why would you try to do that?

onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago

So you pay less income tax? Every tax avoid-er tries to find deductions from nothing.

JohnFen 2y ago

To avoid the social consequences amongst your peers? Perhaps that's not an issue in Norway, but it's an issue in the US. I don't want my coworkers to know how much I make because if I'm making substantially more or less than them, it will affect how they perceive and interact with me.

marzipanWhale 2y ago
Norwegian here. This isn't really an issue, as far as I can tell. I feel in general most people get paid fairly, so if you're doing the same work as someone else the pay won't be that different. I've always shared and talked salary with my coworkers, both when I was earning the least and the most of my coworkers. When I earned the least, they helped me with how to approach my boss for a raise; and now when I'm the best paid, I help my coworkers get what they deserve.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  What if you are a kind of an high achiever, and companies would be willing to pay more for your output than an average one? Or assume you do 2x better work, they initially pay you the same, then you get a better offer elsewhere, and they would want to match, but if they do, you would be getting paid a lot more than your coworkers.
patall 2y ago
Why do you not want for everyone to be treated fairly? If I earn more without good reason, why should I be more loyal to some rich owner than to my colleague that I am interacting with on a daily basis. Do people in the US think like this? (Note though: I don't think many people acyually check each others tax returns, as that kind of already implies enviousness.)
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > Why do you not want for everyone to be treated fairly? That's a strange assumption to make. Of course I want everyone to be treated fairly. > why should I be more loyal to some rich owner It's not a matter of loyalty to some rich owner (particularly if I'm making much less than my coworkers[1]). It's a matter of getting along in the workplace. [1] I have, and probably will again, taken positions where I was overtly underpaid because I was getting something else out of the job that I valued more than the money. But (at least in the US), people tend to equate your pay level with your skill level and value, so I certainly wouldn't want my coworkers to know.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  > (Note though: I don't think many people acyually check each others tax returns, as that kind of already implies enviousness.) I wouldn't directly check it, if they see that I have done so, but if I could have someone else check or similar, I would definitely get it checked what everyone makes. Not specifically because of envy, but it would just be a no brainer thing to do in terms of understanding the market.