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I'm not dogwhistling, I'm sinophilic and I wish for democracy in China. I don't know what should happen to H-1B's and green card holders, I think they provide g

I'm not dogwhistling, I'm sinophilic and I wish for democracy in China. I don't know what should happen to H-1B's and green card holders, I think they provide great value and they are smart programs that the U.S. has, but your statement about allegiance and your parallel to an ant colony seemed oddly uninformed, and I gave you one specific example of coercion that is currently happening. China has many modern-day heroes that are unsung, doctors like Li Wenliang, journalists like Li Zehua, businesspeople like Fang Bin, that came forward with crucial information when Covid-19 first occurred, or various politicians like Bo Xilai who revealed cracks and inefficiencies in the CCP's management.

alephnerd 2y ago
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- Retric 2y ago
  Dogwhistling means something specific and they aren’t doing that. They are being quite blatant and avoiding coded language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
  - vkou 2y ago
    The follow-up post is not using coded language. But the problem remains. Someone points out that some foreign nationals are traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs[1]. I ask: "Okay, let's assume that's true, what are you going to do about that to particular foreigners (And here's some edge cases - green cards, citizens, etc, that could also be traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs)?" They say: "I don't know, but someone should do something!" Nobody ever says what that something is, but it sure gets mentioned - a lot. It smells a lot like holding individuals collectively accountable for things their nation of birth is doing. That's a dangerous road to go down. But that's just one interpretation of it! Since nobody actually offers anything actionable, they just say: "Oh, well, I didn't mean doing that!" Well, what did you mean? Surely, you meant something..? There's no coded language, but there may be coded meaning. It may not exactly be a dogwhistle, but it isn't far from it. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union)
    - Retric 2y ago
      None of what you just mentioned is Dogwhistling. In terms of domestic security we already use blanket exclusions. Look at how export restrictions in rocketry apply to foreign nationals living on the US, they don’t prevent SpaceX from employing any foreign nationals but they do adds some meaningful limits. Excluding foreign nationals from say 0.1% of US jobs just isn’t that impactful overall. GrubHub, Disneyland, ESPN, etc can presumably do whatever they want, but there’s legitimate concerns.
      - vkou 2y ago
        That's not what this subthread's about, though. The root post was: > the number of Chinese H1b workers in US high tech jobs should alarm everyone They aren't talking about some 0.1% of jobs that require a security clearance. Some rando H1B worker isn't allowed to work on rockets.
        Retric 2y ago
        There are SpaceX jobs that don’t require a security clearance but still exclude foreign nationals. Internet connectivity has created a lot of very critical infrastructure that’s not obvious but is still very much a target.
        vkou 2y ago
        You're splitting hairs. I'm using "security clearance" as a catch-all term for some very specific regulatory restrictions that affect a tiny fraction of jobs. Again, that's not what this subthread is about. It is about some rando Chinese H1B worker working through their ticket queue for Grubhub. We're apparently supposed to be 'alarmed' by that. (And while that post has now been nuked, the sentiment behind it is not exactly unpopular here.)
        Retric 2y ago
        The poster was asking for specific regulatory restrictions. It’s not about Doctors, Lawyers, investment bankers etc, it’s about IT. We treat dams and bridges differently than parking lots and many IT systems are just as important. > rando Chinese H1B worker working through their ticket queue for Grubhub. I people are concerned about the CCP compromising someone working on random grubhub tickets. Google scale data centers are a different story because denial of service attacks, but that’s exactly the kind of special sauce inside a rocket that export restrictions apply to.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  This is a terrible way to conduct a conversation. Do you even know what that word means? Have some respect for those you engage with, especially on this site.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    It's people like me who have issues getting jobs because of these kinds of policies. In fact, it was a major reason I left The Hill (the low pay also paid a role), as it creates a glass ceiling.
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      What do you mean?

alephnerd 2y ago

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Retric 2y ago
Dogwhistling means something specific and they aren’t doing that. They are being quite blatant and avoiding coded language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
- vkou 2y ago
  The follow-up post is not using coded language. But the problem remains. Someone points out that some foreign nationals are traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs[1]. I ask: "Okay, let's assume that's true, what are you going to do about that to particular foreigners (And here's some edge cases - green cards, citizens, etc, that could also be traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs)?" They say: "I don't know, but someone should do something!" Nobody ever says what that something is, but it sure gets mentioned - a lot. It smells a lot like holding individuals collectively accountable for things their nation of birth is doing. That's a dangerous road to go down. But that's just one interpretation of it! Since nobody actually offers anything actionable, they just say: "Oh, well, I didn't mean doing that!" Well, what did you mean? Surely, you meant something..? There's no coded language, but there may be coded meaning. It may not exactly be a dogwhistle, but it isn't far from it. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union)
  - Retric 2y ago
    None of what you just mentioned is Dogwhistling. In terms of domestic security we already use blanket exclusions. Look at how export restrictions in rocketry apply to foreign nationals living on the US, they don’t prevent SpaceX from employing any foreign nationals but they do adds some meaningful limits. Excluding foreign nationals from say 0.1% of US jobs just isn’t that impactful overall. GrubHub, Disneyland, ESPN, etc can presumably do whatever they want, but there’s legitimate concerns.
    - vkou 2y ago
      That's not what this subthread's about, though. The root post was: > the number of Chinese H1b workers in US high tech jobs should alarm everyone They aren't talking about some 0.1% of jobs that require a security clearance. Some rando H1B worker isn't allowed to work on rockets.
      - Retric 2y ago
        There are SpaceX jobs that don’t require a security clearance but still exclude foreign nationals. Internet connectivity has created a lot of very critical infrastructure that’s not obvious but is still very much a target.
        vkou 2y ago
        You're splitting hairs. I'm using "security clearance" as a catch-all term for some very specific regulatory restrictions that affect a tiny fraction of jobs. Again, that's not what this subthread is about. It is about some rando Chinese H1B worker working through their ticket queue for Grubhub. We're apparently supposed to be 'alarmed' by that. (And while that post has now been nuked, the sentiment behind it is not exactly unpopular here.)
        Retric 2y ago
        The poster was asking for specific regulatory restrictions. It’s not about Doctors, Lawyers, investment bankers etc, it’s about IT. We treat dams and bridges differently than parking lots and many IT systems are just as important. > rando Chinese H1B worker working through their ticket queue for Grubhub. I people are concerned about the CCP compromising someone working on random grubhub tickets. Google scale data centers are a different story because denial of service attacks, but that’s exactly the kind of special sauce inside a rocket that export restrictions apply to.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
This is a terrible way to conduct a conversation. Do you even know what that word means? Have some respect for those you engage with, especially on this site.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  It's people like me who have issues getting jobs because of these kinds of policies. In fact, it was a major reason I left The Hill (the low pay also paid a role), as it creates a glass ceiling.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    What do you mean?