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Nice parents and younger sister you have there, shame if something were to happen to them. And don't think we can't reach you in your host country. <https://en.

Nice parents and younger sister you have there, shame if something were to happen to them. And don't think we can't reach you in your host country. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...> Your comment is staggeringly ignorant of the realities of China today and of human nature.

vkou 2y ago
Can you stop dogwhistling and beating around the bush, and tell us exactly what you think we should do to H1Bs and green card holders and foreign-born naturalized citizens who have third cousins overseas? You've outlined your problem, great, what's your solution? There's no shortage of this kind of suggestive wink-wink-nudge-nudge eyebrow-wiggling, but nobody ever seems to want to say out loud what they think should be done about it.
- CarpaDorada 2y ago
  I'm not dogwhistling, I'm sinophilic and I wish for democracy in China. I don't know what should happen to H-1B's and green card holders, I think they provide great value and they are smart programs that the U.S. has, but your statement about allegiance and your parallel to an ant colony seemed oddly uninformed, and I gave you one specific example of coercion that is currently happening. China has many modern-day heroes that are unsung, doctors like Li Wenliang, journalists like Li Zehua, businesspeople like Fang Bin, that came forward with crucial information when Covid-19 first occurred, or various politicians like Bo Xilai who revealed cracks and inefficiencies in the CCP's management.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
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    - Retric 2y ago
      Dogwhistling means something specific and they aren’t doing that. They are being quite blatant and avoiding coded language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
      - vkou 2y ago
        The follow-up post is not using coded language. But the problem remains. Someone points out that some foreign nationals are traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs[1]. I ask: "Okay, let's assume that's true, what are you going to do about that to particular foreigners (And here's some edge cases - green cards, citizens, etc, that could also be traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs)?" They say: "I don't know, but someone should do something!" Nobody ever says what that something is, but it sure gets mentioned - a lot. It smells a lot like holding individuals collectively accountable for things their nation of birth is doing. That's a dangerous road to go down. But that's just one interpretation of it! Since nobody actually offers anything actionable, they just say: "Oh, well, I didn't mean doing that!" Well, what did you mean? Surely, you meant something..? There's no coded language, but there may be coded meaning. It may not exactly be a dogwhistle, but it isn't far from it. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union)
        Retric 2y ago
        None of what you just mentioned is Dogwhistling. In terms of domestic security we already use blanket exclusions. Look at how export restrictions in rocketry apply to foreign nationals living on the US, they don’t prevent SpaceX from employing any foreign nationals but they do adds some meaningful limits. Excluding foreign nationals from say 0.1% of US jobs just isn’t that impactful overall. GrubHub, Disneyland, ESPN, etc can presumably do whatever they want, but there’s legitimate concerns.
        vkou 2y ago
        That's not what this subthread's about, though. The root post was: > the number of Chinese H1b workers in US high tech jobs should alarm everyone They aren't talking about some 0.1% of jobs that require a security clearance. Some rando H1B worker isn't allowed to work on rockets.
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      This is a terrible way to conduct a conversation. Do you even know what that word means? Have some respect for those you engage with, especially on this site.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        It's people like me who have issues getting jobs because of these kinds of policies. In fact, it was a major reason I left The Hill (the low pay also paid a role), as it creates a glass ceiling.
        DiggyJohnson 2y ago
        What do you mean?

vkou 2y ago

Can you stop dogwhistling and beating around the bush, and tell us exactly what you think we should do to H1Bs and green card holders and foreign-born naturalized citizens who have third cousins overseas? You've outlined your problem, great, what's your solution? There's no shortage of this kind of suggestive wink-wink-nudge-nudge eyebrow-wiggling, but nobody ever seems to want to say out loud what they think should be done about it.

CarpaDorada 2y ago
I'm not dogwhistling, I'm sinophilic and I wish for democracy in China. I don't know what should happen to H-1B's and green card holders, I think they provide great value and they are smart programs that the U.S. has, but your statement about allegiance and your parallel to an ant colony seemed oddly uninformed, and I gave you one specific example of coercion that is currently happening. China has many modern-day heroes that are unsung, doctors like Li Wenliang, journalists like Li Zehua, businesspeople like Fang Bin, that came forward with crucial information when Covid-19 first occurred, or various politicians like Bo Xilai who revealed cracks and inefficiencies in the CCP's management.
- alephnerd 2y ago
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  - Retric 2y ago
    Dogwhistling means something specific and they aren’t doing that. They are being quite blatant and avoiding coded language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
    - vkou 2y ago
      The follow-up post is not using coded language. But the problem remains. Someone points out that some foreign nationals are traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs[1]. I ask: "Okay, let's assume that's true, what are you going to do about that to particular foreigners (And here's some edge cases - green cards, citizens, etc, that could also be traitors, spies, wreckers, and saboteurs)?" They say: "I don't know, but someone should do something!" Nobody ever says what that something is, but it sure gets mentioned - a lot. It smells a lot like holding individuals collectively accountable for things their nation of birth is doing. That's a dangerous road to go down. But that's just one interpretation of it! Since nobody actually offers anything actionable, they just say: "Oh, well, I didn't mean doing that!" Well, what did you mean? Surely, you meant something..? There's no coded language, but there may be coded meaning. It may not exactly be a dogwhistle, but it isn't far from it. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(Soviet_Union)
      - Retric 2y ago
        None of what you just mentioned is Dogwhistling. In terms of domestic security we already use blanket exclusions. Look at how export restrictions in rocketry apply to foreign nationals living on the US, they don’t prevent SpaceX from employing any foreign nationals but they do adds some meaningful limits. Excluding foreign nationals from say 0.1% of US jobs just isn’t that impactful overall. GrubHub, Disneyland, ESPN, etc can presumably do whatever they want, but there’s legitimate concerns.
        vkou 2y ago
        That's not what this subthread's about, though. The root post was: > the number of Chinese H1b workers in US high tech jobs should alarm everyone They aren't talking about some 0.1% of jobs that require a security clearance. Some rando H1B worker isn't allowed to work on rockets.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    This is a terrible way to conduct a conversation. Do you even know what that word means? Have some respect for those you engage with, especially on this site.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      It's people like me who have issues getting jobs because of these kinds of policies. In fact, it was a major reason I left The Hill (the low pay also paid a role), as it creates a glass ceiling.
      - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
        What do you mean?