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> A number of good alternatives exist, there's no monoculture That doesn't sound true to me at all, except maybe in some very small niches. I've used Bitbucket

> A number of good alternatives exist, there's no monoculture That doesn't sound true to me at all, except maybe in some very small niches. I've used Bitbucket at exactly one job; I've found Codeberg, but no project I've used was actually hosted there; and literally everything else I see or use is on Github.

sangnoir 2y ago
A decent number of larger open source projects self-host.
nine_k 2y ago
GitLab is relatively more widely represented, but of the projects I encounter, about 2-3% are on GitLab. I encountered projects on Codeberg, too, and even on sr.ht. A bunch of larger projects have a mirror on GitHub for easier access. BTW there's launchpad.net which is often overlooked, bit it's vital for Ubuntu-specific projects. At paid day jobs, I had to use BitBucket at least twice, and I miss better code review tools, like Phabricator. GitHub definitely dominates the market, partly due to the network effects, but I don't think they have a lot of moat. If something goes badly enough wrong there, there will be plenty of viable alternatives with an easy to trivial migration path.
- rapnie 2y ago
  > GitHub definitely dominates the market, partly due to the network effects, but I don't think they have a lot of moat. If something goes badly enough wrong there, there will be plenty of viable alternatives with an easy to trivial migration path. Their moat is a billion development tool vendors that have "integrate with Github" as a must-have and expected functionality.
- account42 2y ago
  > BTW there's launchpad.net which is often overlooked, bit it's vital for Ubuntu-specific projects. It's overlooked because in true Canonical fashion they went hard in on their not-invented-here-syndrome VCS that nobody asked for or wanted. That and also the integration with Ubuntu and nothing else.
boredtofears 2y ago
I've used bitbucket at almost every job I've had. I suspect it's usage is much higher for private companies than people realize - if you've already bought into Atlassian for JIRA or Confluence it makes bitbucket an obvious selection.
- ikety 2y ago
  Why is that? Jira github integration is nice and simple.
  - boredtofears 2y ago
    Why wouldn’t it be? Simpler to use first party integration and have centralized user management. Bitbucket works just fine.
    - consteval 2y ago
      Bitbucket is also just good - legitimately. I prefer the UI for a lot of stuff.
mnau 2y ago
Everything has at least a mirror on GitHub, but quite a lot of projects are either on GitLab (e.g. KiCad) or self-host (freedesktop). There is also a lot of stuff on Gitee (China), but due to langauge barrier, it's hard to judge.

sangnoir 2y ago

A decent number of larger open source projects self-host.

nine_k 2y ago

GitLab is relatively more widely represented, but of the projects I encounter, about 2-3% are on GitLab. I encountered projects on Codeberg, too, and even on sr.ht. A bunch of larger projects have a mirror on GitHub for easier access. BTW there's launchpad.net which is often overlooked, bit it's vital for Ubuntu-specific projects. At paid day jobs, I had to use BitBucket at least twice, and I miss better code review tools, like Phabricator. GitHub definitely dominates the market, partly due to the network effects, but I don't think they have a lot of moat. If something goes badly enough wrong there, there will be plenty of viable alternatives with an easy to trivial migration path.

rapnie 2y ago
> GitHub definitely dominates the market, partly due to the network effects, but I don't think they have a lot of moat. If something goes badly enough wrong there, there will be plenty of viable alternatives with an easy to trivial migration path. Their moat is a billion development tool vendors that have "integrate with Github" as a must-have and expected functionality.
account42 2y ago
> BTW there's launchpad.net which is often overlooked, bit it's vital for Ubuntu-specific projects. It's overlooked because in true Canonical fashion they went hard in on their not-invented-here-syndrome VCS that nobody asked for or wanted. That and also the integration with Ubuntu and nothing else.

boredtofears 2y ago

I've used bitbucket at almost every job I've had. I suspect it's usage is much higher for private companies than people realize - if you've already bought into Atlassian for JIRA or Confluence it makes bitbucket an obvious selection.

ikety 2y ago
Why is that? Jira github integration is nice and simple.
- boredtofears 2y ago
  Why wouldn’t it be? Simpler to use first party integration and have centralized user management. Bitbucket works just fine.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Bitbucket is also just good - legitimately. I prefer the UI for a lot of stuff.

mnau 2y ago

Everything has at least a mirror on GitHub, but quite a lot of projects are either on GitLab (e.g. KiCad) or self-host (freedesktop). There is also a lot of stuff on Gitee (China), but due to langauge barrier, it's hard to judge.