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I know we're supposed to be shaking our fist at these stupid AIs, but why should Morgan be mentioned? Did she score any goals? Did she get much playing time? I

I know we're supposed to be shaking our fist at these stupid AIs, but why should Morgan be mentioned? Did she score any goals? Did she get much playing time? I didn't watch the game myself, but it's entirely possible she did nothing notable on the field. So is the AI really mistaken?

reaperducer 2y ago
Because sports is not just numbers. It isn't computers and digits and statistics. It's people and personalities and how they interact. There's a reason sports is called a reflection of "the human drama." Except for the Olympics, I don't watch or follow any sports. But I know enough to know that sports is about people. The only people who think it's nothing more than numbers are people with gambling addictions.
- abduhl 2y ago
  This is a really romantic view of sports, and a strong attack against the strawman argument that's been advanced by nobody ("sports is just numbers"). But to answer the OP's original question: no, she didn't do anything worth mentioning in the game per the newly updated ESPN article. Her team was dominated, losing by 3. "It was the final game in the nearly 14-year career of USWNT star Alex Morgan. The two-time World Cup winner and Olympic gold medalist played 15 minutes, exiting in the first half. Her shot on goal in the 10th minute was saved by Courage goalie Casey Murphy." So should she have been mentioned in the article? Yes, but not for her performance and not in the context of her play in the match.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    The commenter is suggesting that Alex Morgan didn't deserve to be mentioned at all, because of her supposed irrelevance in the single game. The commenter, intentionally or not, is suggesting that nothing is relevant about any particular game except the statistics of the match and the outcome. So yes, they were suggesting the game is only about numbers.
alt227 2y ago
Here, I'll give you the paragraph from the article which talks about your point, since you must have have missed it: "You could certainly make the case that everything in the recap is accurate from a factual perspective. However, the fact that it doesn’t include any information about Morgan and how important this night was for her, the NWSL, and U.S. women’s soccer speaks to how these kinds of services can’t replicate human writers who can see an event from a 360-degree perspective."
- JAlexoid 2y ago
  Most game recaps that I've read are no less dry, than the AI generated one. The reviews that come after are typically the ones that cover broader impact. Reviews also include third party commentary and more insights from specialists. The benefit of having a factual recap generated minutes after the game far supersede the value added by a few words from a low paid recap writer hours after the game.
  - alt227 2y ago
    > The benefit of having a factual recap generated minutes after the game far supersede the value added by a few words from a low paid recap writer hours after the game. I guess thats subjective and depends on what the individual finds interesting/important in sport. However including something potentially unecessary is far easier to do and covers more bases than leaving something potentially necessary out.
    - JAlexoid 2y ago
      That's a "kitchen sink" approach, that produces really bad articles that are hard to read.
      - alt227 2y ago
        Thats your subjective opinion again, and thats fine you are entitled to it. But there are many different types of people who might disagree with you or prefer something different. You seem to be just stating that what you want is what everyone should think is best.
zero-sharp 2y ago
She's a big name in soccer and she's retiring. I don't even watch soccer and I recognize her name. It doesn't matter what her performance was in her final game. It's very common to give great athletes recognition (at the very least mention) at their retirement. Your comment is bewildering (tone-deaf).
holman 2y ago
Yes. It’s probably one of the most-watched games in NWSL this season. People who don’t even watch NWSL watched this game. I mean, hell, even if it were just another game I’d probably find it relevant to include that Alex subbed off in the 14th, because that’s really eye-raising. This is a total miss by AI that would have never gotten past a real editor.
jasonlotito 2y ago
Factually speaking, knowing it's a player's last match means they won't be there for the next match. Which means any calculations looking at the potential for that next match can't include here. Factually speaking, know it's her last match is critical. Same thing with injuries, or even attempts on goals that fail. An attempt on a goal that fails doesn't impact the score. But it's something that happened in and around the game. Specifically to this game: it also literally affected the game (maybe not in points, but it did have an impact), and that it wasn't mentioned means the information provided for the game was inaccurate. If AI is going to summarize a game, it should do so accurately. It did not do that in this case, and that's not debatable. It was wrong. It did not accurately report the game.
yifanl 2y ago
> The match, which was simulcast across various networks and streaming services, included a beautiful moment in which Morgan removed her cleats at midfield and tearfully waved to a Snapdragon Stadium crowd that chanted her name while players surrounded and applauded her. From the article. Or is the claim that the AI model should expect there's nothing noteworthy about this series of events?
rurp 2y ago
If you simply want to see the raw stats from a game and ignore all of the human elements you're certainly welcome to, but it's bizarre to act like that approach is or should be standard. The human drama and history aspect of sports is a huge part of the draw for most people.
CatWChainsaw 2y ago
This comment is why techbros have the reputation they do for being odious people.

reaperducer 2y ago

Because sports is not just numbers. It isn't computers and digits and statistics. It's people and personalities and how they interact. There's a reason sports is called a reflection of "the human drama." Except for the Olympics, I don't watch or follow any sports. But I know enough to know that sports is about people. The only people who think it's nothing more than numbers are people with gambling addictions.

abduhl 2y ago
This is a really romantic view of sports, and a strong attack against the strawman argument that's been advanced by nobody ("sports is just numbers"). But to answer the OP's original question: no, she didn't do anything worth mentioning in the game per the newly updated ESPN article. Her team was dominated, losing by 3. "It was the final game in the nearly 14-year career of USWNT star Alex Morgan. The two-time World Cup winner and Olympic gold medalist played 15 minutes, exiting in the first half. Her shot on goal in the 10th minute was saved by Courage goalie Casey Murphy." So should she have been mentioned in the article? Yes, but not for her performance and not in the context of her play in the match.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  The commenter is suggesting that Alex Morgan didn't deserve to be mentioned at all, because of her supposed irrelevance in the single game. The commenter, intentionally or not, is suggesting that nothing is relevant about any particular game except the statistics of the match and the outcome. So yes, they were suggesting the game is only about numbers.

alt227 2y ago

Here, I'll give you the paragraph from the article which talks about your point, since you must have have missed it: "You could certainly make the case that everything in the recap is accurate from a factual perspective. However, the fact that it doesn’t include any information about Morgan and how important this night was for her, the NWSL, and U.S. women’s soccer speaks to how these kinds of services can’t replicate human writers who can see an event from a 360-degree perspective."

JAlexoid 2y ago
Most game recaps that I've read are no less dry, than the AI generated one. The reviews that come after are typically the ones that cover broader impact. Reviews also include third party commentary and more insights from specialists. The benefit of having a factual recap generated minutes after the game far supersede the value added by a few words from a low paid recap writer hours after the game.
- alt227 2y ago
  > The benefit of having a factual recap generated minutes after the game far supersede the value added by a few words from a low paid recap writer hours after the game. I guess thats subjective and depends on what the individual finds interesting/important in sport. However including something potentially unecessary is far easier to do and covers more bases than leaving something potentially necessary out.
  - JAlexoid 2y ago
    That's a "kitchen sink" approach, that produces really bad articles that are hard to read.
    - alt227 2y ago
      Thats your subjective opinion again, and thats fine you are entitled to it. But there are many different types of people who might disagree with you or prefer something different. You seem to be just stating that what you want is what everyone should think is best.

zero-sharp 2y ago

She's a big name in soccer and she's retiring. I don't even watch soccer and I recognize her name. It doesn't matter what her performance was in her final game. It's very common to give great athletes recognition (at the very least mention) at their retirement. Your comment is bewildering (tone-deaf).

holman 2y ago

Yes. It’s probably one of the most-watched games in NWSL this season. People who don’t even watch NWSL watched this game. I mean, hell, even if it were just another game I’d probably find it relevant to include that Alex subbed off in the 14th, because that’s really eye-raising. This is a total miss by AI that would have never gotten past a real editor.

jasonlotito 2y ago

Factually speaking, knowing it's a player's last match means they won't be there for the next match. Which means any calculations looking at the potential for that next match can't include here. Factually speaking, know it's her last match is critical. Same thing with injuries, or even attempts on goals that fail. An attempt on a goal that fails doesn't impact the score. But it's something that happened in and around the game. Specifically to this game: it also literally affected the game (maybe not in points, but it did have an impact), and that it wasn't mentioned means the information provided for the game was inaccurate. If AI is going to summarize a game, it should do so accurately. It did not do that in this case, and that's not debatable. It was wrong. It did not accurately report the game.

yifanl 2y ago

> The match, which was simulcast across various networks and streaming services, included a beautiful moment in which Morgan removed her cleats at midfield and tearfully waved to a Snapdragon Stadium crowd that chanted her name while players surrounded and applauded her. From the article. Or is the claim that the AI model should expect there's nothing noteworthy about this series of events?

rurp 2y ago

If you simply want to see the raw stats from a game and ignore all of the human elements you're certainly welcome to, but it's bizarre to act like that approach is or should be standard. The human drama and history aspect of sports is a huge part of the draw for most people.

CatWChainsaw 2y ago

This comment is why techbros have the reputation they do for being odious people.