4 ms·
This is great, and should be done. But we also need to stop it happening again. Which means stopping fishing nets and plastic trash from being dumped in the se
by andyjohnson0 2y ago
This is great, and should be done.
But we also need to stop it happening again. Which means stopping fishing nets and plastic trash from being dumped in the sea by ships. And preventing plastic that is dumped into rivers in developing countries [1] from reaching the sea. These are hard problems.
[1] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz5803 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz5803
- chakintosh 2y agohttps://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/ https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/
- nathancahill 2y agoGreat case study in my home country: https://theoceancleanup.com/updates/introducing-the-interceptor-barricade-the-ocean-cleanup-returns-to-guatemala/ https://theoceancleanup.com/updates/introducing-the-intercep...
- wiz21c 2y agoThe fishing market is 600B $... So if they invest 1% of that market size into the cleaning, they can go on with current practices... They can even improve the process and make it cheaper.
- boringg 2y agoGood luck getting them to pay...
- nxicvyvy 2y agoIt's just a tax, we all pay.
- hammock 2y ago1% is a lot.. gross margin for the big bulk fishing operations is around 10% so you are asking them to give up 10% of their profits To put 1% in more context, the biggest companies like P&G, Verizon, Progressive Insurance etc will never spend more that 3% of revenue MAXIMUM on their total marketing budget..and that is money that they directly measure ROI from.
- rqtwteye 2y agoWhat if they raised prices by 1% to compensate? We just had double digit price increases for a lot of things so 1% seems pretty easy.
- petesergeant 2y ago> in developing countries In this particular case I think it’s worth specifically calling out The Philippines, who are responsible for a third of all ocean waste. India are second at ~12%, but also with a billion and a half people that’s a little more understandable
- MrsPeaches 2y agoWow, didn't realise India had that many people! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoWhat about China?
- petesergeant 2y agoAbout 1/5 as much as the Philippines overall, so two orders of magnitude less per capita, and about half as much as India per capita. Here’s a pretty picture: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/visualized-ocean-plastic-waste-pollution-by-country/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/visualized-ocean-plastic...
- snarf21 2y agoGiven that ~80% of the GPGP is from commercial fishing, I don't know how we ever stop them or catch them. A factory can be checked at its outflows. We'd have to monitor and catalog everything on every fishing ship and that just doesn't scale. At best we could add a fee to global commercial fishing fee to all boats based on the wholesale of their catch and spend that on clean up and other sustainability efforts.
- loceng 2y agoAre all countries currently honest with their fishing practices, e.g. catch sizes, etc?
- liveoneggs 2y agoNo countries are honest about any aspect of fishing
- snarf21 2y agoI assume not but that could become tied the ability to import and the western countries could try to drive that. Again, not an easy thing to even get your head around let alone implement.
- c420 2y agoYou're assuming Western countries are compliant https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/sep/06/eu-failing-to-enforce-fishing-rules-say-campaigners https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/sep/06/...
- loceng 2y agoSo the solution is use tax money instead to commission citizen-run oversight then?
- hammock 2y ago>This is great, and should be done. But we also need to stop it happening again. The patch was discovered 27 years ago (1997). So, $7 billion to clean it up, and then $250 million a year to keep it clean thereafter
- dartos 2y agoNot too bad in the grand scheme of things.
- thefz 2y agoChina and India do not give a shit about climate/ecology agreements