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> It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse How would it be worse? Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go t

by sofixa 2y ago

> It would be a "fun" time if FF ever dies, new IE6.0 situation but worse How would it be worse? Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. IE6.0 was entirely proprietary, and nobody could do absolutely anything if Microsoft went too far.

markx2 2y ago
> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. 'anyone'. The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge, and that completely disregards the publicity needed to say just why the fork was needed and is in the consumer's best interest to use instead. Google have already gone too far. I can only hope the EU breaks them.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  Let's not ignore the institutional change they drive; attestation and the like is not what it appears. They can become the next Microsoft with secure boot signing keys for the next Widget, but implemented even less kindly. Yes, one can enroll their own signing keys. Who does? The frog may say the water is warm, I say they are being boiled
- wilsonnb3 2y ago
  > The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge Yes but browser companies have those resources and the expertise. Microsoft is one of the most able companies to maintain a real Chromium fork, so a Chromium based Edge with actual marketshare puts them in a much better negotiating position than EdgeHTML based Edge that no one uses. I think a Chromium based Firefox might be better long term than the current Firefox since Mozilla is going to get less and less of a seat at the table until they can get some real marketshare again.
Yizahi 2y ago
Sure it can be forked. I can probably fork it, just go to github or wherever it is hosted and press "fork" button. The problem is maintaining velocity and features with Chrome. Google can add new protocols and mandatory new features daily and nobody can keep with them or propose alternatives. Today you fork Chrome to some new branch Nickel. Tomorrow Google releases some new QUIC v100500 without which half of the internet doesn't work and forces to adopt this new feature as a standard. What do Nickel devs do then? Clone Chrome again? This will be a mirror of the current situation, where every Chrome clone has exact same browser inside. Reimplement this QUIC v100500? Push alternative? Won't happen.
bachmeier 2y ago
> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. Forking Chromium won't help unless developers are supporting Chromium rather than Chrome. There's no reason to expect Chromium to work with websites in the future.
Tommy430 2y ago
> How would it be worse? well Google is constantly moving too fast and they're mainly an internet company, whereas Microsoft was just the software company. derp

by sofixa 2y ago

markx2 2y ago

> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. 'anyone'. The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge, and that completely disregards the publicity needed to say just why the fork was needed and is in the consumer's best interest to use instead. Google have already gone too far. I can only hope the EU breaks them.

bravetraveler 2y ago
Let's not ignore the institutional change they drive; attestation and the like is not what it appears. They can become the next Microsoft with secure boot signing keys for the next Widget, but implemented even less kindly. Yes, one can enroll their own signing keys. Who does? The frog may say the water is warm, I say they are being boiled
wilsonnb3 2y ago
> The resources required to fork and then maintain would be huge Yes but browser companies have those resources and the expertise. Microsoft is one of the most able companies to maintain a real Chromium fork, so a Chromium based Edge with actual marketshare puts them in a much better negotiating position than EdgeHTML based Edge that no one uses. I think a Chromium based Firefox might be better long term than the current Firefox since Mozilla is going to get less and less of a seat at the table until they can get some real marketshare again.

Yizahi 2y ago

Sure it can be forked. I can probably fork it, just go to github or wherever it is hosted and press "fork" button. The problem is maintaining velocity and features with Chrome. Google can add new protocols and mandatory new features daily and nobody can keep with them or propose alternatives. Today you fork Chrome to some new branch Nickel. Tomorrow Google releases some new QUIC v100500 without which half of the internet doesn't work and forces to adopt this new feature as a standard. What do Nickel devs do then? Clone Chrome again? This will be a mirror of the current situation, where every Chrome clone has exact same browser inside. Reimplement this QUIC v100500? Push alternative? Won't happen.

bachmeier 2y ago

> Chromium is Open Source, and anyone can fork it if Google go too far. Forking Chromium won't help unless developers are supporting Chromium rather than Chrome. There's no reason to expect Chromium to work with websites in the future.

Tommy430 2y ago

> How would it be worse? well Google is constantly moving too fast and they're mainly an internet company, whereas Microsoft was just the software company. derp