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This is the same argument that says high tax rates will deter them from working. Driven people will work hard regardless, and in leadership, the right kind of

This is the same argument that says high tax rates will deter them from working. Driven people will work hard regardless, and in leadership, the right kind of leaders will work mainly for the reputation, fulfillment from a job well done, people elevated, legacy, etc - and a respectful level of comp. The narcissists, grifters and mercenaries maybe need the $$$$$. Edit: I should clarify I mean high tax rates on the wealthy.

johnisgood 2y ago
I mean yeah, they either work or they starve. Same with groceries, if you tax the crap out of them, people will still buy it out of necessity, right?
- jacknews 2y ago
  My argument isn't that all workers should be driven. The argument is that good leaders are usually driven by things other than a huge salary, and so long as the salary isn't an insult, will do what they do. So why offer huge salaries to CEOs? It just attracts the kind of leaders that only care for the money.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    I agree with you.
bluGill 2y ago
> Driven people will work hard regardless Not everybody is driven by work. Many people are driving by the things they can get from work. The mythical rational man would eventually see that hard work isn't worth the toys anymore and so will start finding something cheaper to spend money on. You need to eat, but you can eat "beef and caviar", or "rice and beans" - at very different prices.
gruez 2y ago
>Driven people will work hard regardless, and in leadership, the right kind of leaders will work mainly for the reputation, fulfillment from a job well done, people elevated, legacy, etc - and a respectful level of comp. The narcissists, grifters and mercenaries maybe need the $$$$$. They might be still CEOs even if they get paid $1, but all things being equal, they'll still go for the higher paying job. What happens if you have a competent CEO and your competitor decides to poach him? This happens all the time. Starbucks recently poached Chipotle's CEO. Given the different trajectories in stock price between chipotle and starbucks, the incoming CEO is arguably more competent. The market seems to agree[1]. If you pay your CEOs $1, it's only a matter of time before your competitor poaches him and you're left with a worse CEO. [1] https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=80,format=auto/content-assets/images/20240817_WBC728.png https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=8...
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- jacknews 2y ago
  It's a good argument for very high taxes on excessive salaries. Free markets run rampant when they are not properly harnessed to the common good, and this is surely a case where they should be harnessed.
brigadier132 2y ago
> Driven people will work hard regardless This is empirically not true.
- gruez 2y ago
  Source?
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johnisgood 2y ago

I mean yeah, they either work or they starve. Same with groceries, if you tax the crap out of them, people will still buy it out of necessity, right?

jacknews 2y ago
My argument isn't that all workers should be driven. The argument is that good leaders are usually driven by things other than a huge salary, and so long as the salary isn't an insult, will do what they do. So why offer huge salaries to CEOs? It just attracts the kind of leaders that only care for the money.
- johnisgood 2y ago
  I agree with you.

bluGill 2y ago

> Driven people will work hard regardless Not everybody is driven by work. Many people are driving by the things they can get from work. The mythical rational man would eventually see that hard work isn't worth the toys anymore and so will start finding something cheaper to spend money on. You need to eat, but you can eat "beef and caviar", or "rice and beans" - at very different prices.

gruez 2y ago

>Driven people will work hard regardless, and in leadership, the right kind of leaders will work mainly for the reputation, fulfillment from a job well done, people elevated, legacy, etc - and a respectful level of comp. The narcissists, grifters and mercenaries maybe need the $$$$$. They might be still CEOs even if they get paid $1, but all things being equal, they'll still go for the higher paying job. What happens if you have a competent CEO and your competitor decides to poach him? This happens all the time. Starbucks recently poached Chipotle's CEO. Given the different trajectories in stock price between chipotle and starbucks, the incoming CEO is arguably more competent. The market seems to agree[1]. If you pay your CEOs $1, it's only a matter of time before your competitor poaches him and you're left with a worse CEO. [1] https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=80,format=auto/content-assets/images/20240817_WBC728.png https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=8...

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jacknews 2y ago
It's a good argument for very high taxes on excessive salaries. Free markets run rampant when they are not properly harnessed to the common good, and this is surely a case where they should be harnessed.

brigadier132 2y ago

> Driven people will work hard regardless This is empirically not true.

gruez 2y ago
Source?
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