These lists are kind of cute, but I don't think all that relevant to readers of HN. I spent 4 years at SAP, apparently now in 4th place for best tech companies

These lists are kind of cute, but I don't think all that relevant to readers of HN. I spent 4 years at SAP, apparently now in 4th place for best tech companies to work for (one after Google) and it's just not the kind of work you want to be doing if you're young and ambitious. It's stable. You're paid pretty well. You get decent free lunch, nice break areas and they don't do cubes. But your work is a drop in the bucket. Always. Got a cool idea? "I'll pass it on to my boss. And if it makes it through him we'll send it over to legal." 9 months later, after you've forgotten why you wanted to do it in the first place, you get your answer. If you don't really care much about work -- like if you're just there to do your 8 hours, get paid, and then, you know, focus on your family, or look forward to your sabbatical (you can take one for 6 months after 5 years) or in my case, focus on my open source work, that's great. If you want to work to do something with your career, they're not.