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Overall, I like your post very much. > but that also doesn't need to be 4K. Here, I would say "need" is a strong term. Surely, you are correct at the mos

by throwaway2037 2y ago

Overall, I like your post very much. > but that also doesn't need to be 4K. Here, I would say "need" is a strong term. Surely, you are correct at the most basic level, but if the bandwidth exists, then some streaming platforms will use it. Deeper question: Is there any practical use case for Internet connections about 1Gbit? I struggle to think of any. Yes, I can understand that people may wish to reduce latency, but I don't think home users need any more bandwidth at this point. I am astonished when I read about 10Gbit home Internet access in Switzerland, Japan, and Korea. Zero trolling: Can you help me to better understand your last sentence? > However, we should also consider in web applications and "always connected" is truly the best solution for our day to day application needs. I cannot tell if this is written with sarcasm. Let me ask more directly: Do you think it is a good design for our modern apps to always be connected or not? Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but I am interested to hear your opinion.

mrweasel 2y ago
Generally speaking I think we should aim for offline first, always. Obvious things like Teams or Slack requires an internet connection to work, but assuming a working internet connection shouldn't even be a requirement for a web browser. I think it is bad design to expect a working internet connection, because in many places your can't expect bandwidth be cheap, or the connection to be stable. That's not to say that something like Google Docs (others seems to like it, but everyone in my company thinks it's awful) should be a thing, there's certainly value in the real time collaboration features, but it should be able to function without an internet connection. Last week someone was complaining about the S3 (sleep) feature on laptops, and one thing that came to my mind is that despite these being portable, we somehow expect them to be always connected to the internet. That just seems like a somewhat broken mindset to me.
- surajrmal 2y ago
  Note that in deeper sleep states you typically see more aggressive limiting of what interrupts can take you out of the sleep state. Turning off network card interrupts is common.

mrweasel 2y ago

Generally speaking I think we should aim for offline first, always. Obvious things like Teams or Slack requires an internet connection to work, but assuming a working internet connection shouldn't even be a requirement for a web browser. I think it is bad design to expect a working internet connection, because in many places your can't expect bandwidth be cheap, or the connection to be stable. That's not to say that something like Google Docs (others seems to like it, but everyone in my company thinks it's awful) should be a thing, there's certainly value in the real time collaboration features, but it should be able to function without an internet connection. Last week someone was complaining about the S3 (sleep) feature on laptops, and one thing that came to my mind is that despite these being portable, we somehow expect them to be always connected to the internet. That just seems like a somewhat broken mindset to me.

surajrmal 2y ago
Note that in deeper sleep states you typically see more aggressive limiting of what interrupts can take you out of the sleep state. Turning off network card interrupts is common.