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Author switched to C++ and OpenGL. > Comfy is now archived until further notice... After abandoning Rust for gamedev [1] ... I just don't have the energy to co

Author switched to C++ and OpenGL. > Comfy is now archived until further notice... After abandoning Rust for gamedev [1] ... I just don't have the energy to constantly play catchup to the Rust ecosystem [1] (April 2024) https://loglog.games/blog/leaving-rust-gamedev/ https://loglog.games/blog/leaving-rust-gamedev/

ndiddy 2y ago
Previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40172033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40172033
copx 2y ago
OpenGL is a questionable choice given that it is deprecated technology. I don't get why somebody would start a new project based on OpenGL these days.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Probably because doing it in Vulkan requires you to slice your brain open.
- a1o 2y ago
  There's a good amount of different compatibility layers that you can use. There are a few vulkan implementations, there is Angle, and Webgl is still working... Depending on what you are doing you can still do a lot with OpenGL, you don't have to rely on the implementation in Nvidia drivers or whatever. I think most people using it are just really comfortable with it's shader language.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  "given that it is deprecated technology" Depreciated by 'who'? It's a standard, not a feature from some company that is ending support. There is a governing body. "The Khronos Group, Inc. is an open, non-profit, member-driven consortium of 170 organizations developing, publishing and maintaining royalty-free interoperability standards for 3D graphics, virtual reality, augmented reality, parallel computation, vision acceleration and machine learning.[1][2] "
  - copx 2y ago
    >Depreciated by 'who'? By the very Khronos Group you mentioned. They are developing Vulkan now, which they consider the successor to OpenGL. There will be no new OpenGL versions, again it is deprecated technology. Deprecated by its creators just like Python 2. And just like Python 2, you can still use it, but again it would be a questionable choice for a new project in both cases, and for the same reason.
    - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
      But, Python is not gone. There is a new version, I can still use the next version of Python. Like you said, OpenGL does have an upgrade path to Vulkan. It isn't like because Python 2 was depreciated, you have to switch to C#. It isn't gone. You can use the new version. Or older version until ready to migrate. Maybe it seems like it because of a name change, and you don't want to call Vulkan, OpenGL So why give up on OpenGL altogether, when there is continuing development.
      - kbolino 2y ago
        Vulkan is a totally different API from OpenGL. It's not hardly a mere name change and the initial work that became Vulkan originated outside of Kronos anyway. There is no "upgrade path" from OpenGL to Vulkan short of a total rewrite. This wasn't done maliciously or carelessly; the two APIs target fundamentally different abstract models of how graphics hardware works.
        FrustratedMonky 2y ago
        "totally different API" Going from Python 2 to 3 wasn't a cake walk. Hence so many years to migrate. But I get what you are saying. Some upgrade paths are easier/harder than others.
        seba_dos1 2y ago
        > Going from Python 2 to 3 wasn't a cake walk. Yes, even despite of many similarities and shared stuff, which can't really be said about OpenGL and Vulkan.
- flykespice 2y ago
  Then tell me what is a better alternative then: human-friendly API (which Vulkan isn't) but still low level enough to do some serious graphics programming?
- Narishma 2y ago
  Because it's much simpler that the alternatives and will remain supported forever in practice (either directly or through things like ANGLE or MoltenGL) even if it's deprecated. If you don't need the features of the newer APIs it makes perfect sense to keep using it.

ndiddy 2y ago

Previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40172033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40172033

copx 2y ago

OpenGL is a questionable choice given that it is deprecated technology. I don't get why somebody would start a new project based on OpenGL these days.

moffkalast 2y ago
Probably because doing it in Vulkan requires you to slice your brain open.
a1o 2y ago
There's a good amount of different compatibility layers that you can use. There are a few vulkan implementations, there is Angle, and Webgl is still working... Depending on what you are doing you can still do a lot with OpenGL, you don't have to rely on the implementation in Nvidia drivers or whatever. I think most people using it are just really comfortable with it's shader language.
FrustratedMonky 2y ago
"given that it is deprecated technology" Depreciated by 'who'? It's a standard, not a feature from some company that is ending support. There is a governing body. "The Khronos Group, Inc. is an open, non-profit, member-driven consortium of 170 organizations developing, publishing and maintaining royalty-free interoperability standards for 3D graphics, virtual reality, augmented reality, parallel computation, vision acceleration and machine learning.[1][2] "
- copx 2y ago
  >Depreciated by 'who'? By the very Khronos Group you mentioned. They are developing Vulkan now, which they consider the successor to OpenGL. There will be no new OpenGL versions, again it is deprecated technology. Deprecated by its creators just like Python 2. And just like Python 2, you can still use it, but again it would be a questionable choice for a new project in both cases, and for the same reason.
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    But, Python is not gone. There is a new version, I can still use the next version of Python. Like you said, OpenGL does have an upgrade path to Vulkan. It isn't like because Python 2 was depreciated, you have to switch to C#. It isn't gone. You can use the new version. Or older version until ready to migrate. Maybe it seems like it because of a name change, and you don't want to call Vulkan, OpenGL So why give up on OpenGL altogether, when there is continuing development.
    - kbolino 2y ago
      Vulkan is a totally different API from OpenGL. It's not hardly a mere name change and the initial work that became Vulkan originated outside of Kronos anyway. There is no "upgrade path" from OpenGL to Vulkan short of a total rewrite. This wasn't done maliciously or carelessly; the two APIs target fundamentally different abstract models of how graphics hardware works.
      - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
        "totally different API" Going from Python 2 to 3 wasn't a cake walk. Hence so many years to migrate. But I get what you are saying. Some upgrade paths are easier/harder than others.
        seba_dos1 2y ago
        > Going from Python 2 to 3 wasn't a cake walk. Yes, even despite of many similarities and shared stuff, which can't really be said about OpenGL and Vulkan.
flykespice 2y ago
Then tell me what is a better alternative then: human-friendly API (which Vulkan isn't) but still low level enough to do some serious graphics programming?
Narishma 2y ago
Because it's much simpler that the alternatives and will remain supported forever in practice (either directly or through things like ANGLE or MoltenGL) even if it's deprecated. If you don't need the features of the newer APIs it makes perfect sense to keep using it.