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In the EU it's quite normal for the average person to get the 8 hours of sleep. Of course, it depends on the work sector you are in, but for most jobs you don't

by XCSme 2y ago

In the EU it's quite normal for the average person to get the 8 hours of sleep. Of course, it depends on the work sector you are in, but for most jobs you don't have to wake up at 6 AM. Also, most people live close to their work, within 30 minutes of biking/driving/public transport.

esperent 2y ago
You must live in a different EU than I do. Two hour commutes are normal around here (Dublin).
- jonasdegendt 2y ago
  One way? That's anything but normal. Even if it's two-way it's nowhere near the norm. The EU records this for pretty much all member states, and Ireland shows an average of 28 minutes.[0] > In 2019, more than half (61.3%) of employed people in the EU traveled less than 30 minutes from home to work. You are correct that Ireland is part of the group of countries which has a larger subset of people with long commutes, but hovering around 10% is not what I'd call "normal". > The largest shares of the longest commuting times were observed in Latvia (13.5%), Ireland (11.2%), Belgium (10.7%) and Hungary (10.6%), where more than 10% of employed people had to travel from home to work for 60 minutes or more. [0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20201021-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/d...
andrepd 2y ago
Yes in the "EU" (500 millions people) everyone lives in a quaint old city centre where people cycle to the greengrocer and everyone has stellar labour rights and sleeps soundly at night. Meanwhile in the real world...
- XCSme 2y ago
  No, exactly that's the point. It's a lot of smaller countries and cities, and usually people live/relocate where they work. People travelling daily longest for work are usually living in the (poorer) rural side, where yes, they have to get up early and take the (limited) public transport available, sometimes having only 2 buses per day.

by XCSme 2y ago

esperent 2y ago

You must live in a different EU than I do. Two hour commutes are normal around here (Dublin).

jonasdegendt 2y ago
One way? That's anything but normal. Even if it's two-way it's nowhere near the norm. The EU records this for pretty much all member states, and Ireland shows an average of 28 minutes.[0] > In 2019, more than half (61.3%) of employed people in the EU traveled less than 30 minutes from home to work. You are correct that Ireland is part of the group of countries which has a larger subset of people with long commutes, but hovering around 10% is not what I'd call "normal". > The largest shares of the longest commuting times were observed in Latvia (13.5%), Ireland (11.2%), Belgium (10.7%) and Hungary (10.6%), where more than 10% of employed people had to travel from home to work for 60 minutes or more. [0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20201021-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/d...

andrepd 2y ago

Yes in the "EU" (500 millions people) everyone lives in a quaint old city centre where people cycle to the greengrocer and everyone has stellar labour rights and sleeps soundly at night. Meanwhile in the real world...

XCSme 2y ago
No, exactly that's the point. It's a lot of smaller countries and cities, and usually people live/relocate where they work. People travelling daily longest for work are usually living in the (poorer) rural side, where yes, they have to get up early and take the (limited) public transport available, sometimes having only 2 buses per day.