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The team at Cue is extremely talented and prideful of their product, and such teams are happy to crunch now and then in order to make things happen.

MatthewPhillips 14y ago
> such teams are happy to crunch now and then No one should ever be happy about working for free. Being a good team player means sometimes doing it anyways, but the situation that caused it should be rectified first.
- dllthomas 14y ago
  > No one should ever be happy about working for free. I don't know if I agree with that statement.
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    Fair enough, in the context of an employer/employee relationship then.
    - dllthomas 14y ago
      Yeah, I think "you should never expect someone to be happy about unpaid work" might be closer.
  - mthreat 14y ago
    Assuming they hold options or shares, it's not likely to be "for free". (edit: I meant to reply to the parent comment)
- natrius 14y ago
  Unless the employees are being paid hourly, they're not working for free. That's how salaries work.
  - languagehacker 14y ago
    How much is your salary really worth if you're working twice as much as someone making the same amount? What's the value of your free time? How frustrating would that be if you knew it could be avoided?
- kalleboo 14y ago
  > No one should ever be happy about working for free Why does "crunching" have to mean working for free? I didn't see anything about that in the article.
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    I associate it with working late, am I wrong in this case?
    - robryan 14y ago
      No reason why it has to be unpaid overtime.
      - spullara 14y ago
        Overtime? What planet are you people from?
- mahyarm 14y ago
  Mistakes happen. What employers should do in this kind of crunch time is offer a long weekend at the end of the crunch period. Most don't.
- deleted 14y ago
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moe 14y ago
How is that an excuse for bad management?
- Dave5314 14y ago
  hey moe, let me know when you ship a product rather than spending your entire day trolling on hacker news and tearing down the people who are actually doing something with their lives. It's not that you criticize or critique other people's work, it's that you're consistently a dick about it. Nearly all your comments are sarcastic and mean-spirited. IMO you're a liability to the Hacker News community. One of the great things about hacker news is that we can have an open dialogue with the founders of startups. If you're acting like a jerk, they'll stop being so open. If people like you keep acting like jerks, you're destroying the spirit of HN and the dialogue this community depends upon.
  - gringomorcego 14y ago
    anyone want a dish with ad hominem and a sprinkling of superiority? You're right, moe probably hasn't shipped anything. I haven't either. But that doesn't mean that it's okay for you guys to treat engineers like this. Because one of them might just realize how undervalued and mistreated they are, and think about starting their own comapany...
    - Dave5314 14y ago
      and when they do they'll realize that building a company is fucking tough and sometimes you might have to ask your team to work long hours. None of the Cue engineers that have commented on here have said that they are undervalued or mistreated. It was a team decision - they want impact, they love their product. They wanted to work. Frankly I'm disappointed that so many folks on hacker news think working long hours on a product is abusive. Newsflash--journalist work long hours to beat deadlines, musicians spend days in the studio recording their music, politicians and their aides spend long hours on the campaign trail, writers write well into the night. If you want to change the world, you going to have to bust your ass doing it. And p.s. Moe has continually behaved like an ass on this forum, making snide insulting comments to countless people. He's the last person anyone should be white knighting. He's served an entire buffet of "ad hominem" and superiority. It's time he got called out for his dickish ways.

MatthewPhillips 14y ago

> such teams are happy to crunch now and then No one should ever be happy about working for free. Being a good team player means sometimes doing it anyways, but the situation that caused it should be rectified first.

dllthomas 14y ago
> No one should ever be happy about working for free. I don't know if I agree with that statement.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  Fair enough, in the context of an employer/employee relationship then.
  - dllthomas 14y ago
    Yeah, I think "you should never expect someone to be happy about unpaid work" might be closer.
- mthreat 14y ago
  Assuming they hold options or shares, it's not likely to be "for free". (edit: I meant to reply to the parent comment)
natrius 14y ago
Unless the employees are being paid hourly, they're not working for free. That's how salaries work.
- languagehacker 14y ago
  How much is your salary really worth if you're working twice as much as someone making the same amount? What's the value of your free time? How frustrating would that be if you knew it could be avoided?
kalleboo 14y ago
> No one should ever be happy about working for free Why does "crunching" have to mean working for free? I didn't see anything about that in the article.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  I associate it with working late, am I wrong in this case?
  - robryan 14y ago
    No reason why it has to be unpaid overtime.
    - spullara 14y ago
      Overtime? What planet are you people from?
mahyarm 14y ago
Mistakes happen. What employers should do in this kind of crunch time is offer a long weekend at the end of the crunch period. Most don't.
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moe 14y ago

How is that an excuse for bad management?

Dave5314 14y ago
hey moe, let me know when you ship a product rather than spending your entire day trolling on hacker news and tearing down the people who are actually doing something with their lives. It's not that you criticize or critique other people's work, it's that you're consistently a dick about it. Nearly all your comments are sarcastic and mean-spirited. IMO you're a liability to the Hacker News community. One of the great things about hacker news is that we can have an open dialogue with the founders of startups. If you're acting like a jerk, they'll stop being so open. If people like you keep acting like jerks, you're destroying the spirit of HN and the dialogue this community depends upon.
- gringomorcego 14y ago
  anyone want a dish with ad hominem and a sprinkling of superiority? You're right, moe probably hasn't shipped anything. I haven't either. But that doesn't mean that it's okay for you guys to treat engineers like this. Because one of them might just realize how undervalued and mistreated they are, and think about starting their own comapany...
  - Dave5314 14y ago
    and when they do they'll realize that building a company is fucking tough and sometimes you might have to ask your team to work long hours. None of the Cue engineers that have commented on here have said that they are undervalued or mistreated. It was a team decision - they want impact, they love their product. They wanted to work. Frankly I'm disappointed that so many folks on hacker news think working long hours on a product is abusive. Newsflash--journalist work long hours to beat deadlines, musicians spend days in the studio recording their music, politicians and their aides spend long hours on the campaign trail, writers write well into the night. If you want to change the world, you going to have to bust your ass doing it. And p.s. Moe has continually behaved like an ass on this forum, making snide insulting comments to countless people. He's the last person anyone should be white knighting. He's served an entire buffet of "ad hominem" and superiority. It's time he got called out for his dickish ways.