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Both of which are fine by me, and neither of which are state enforced resdistribution schemes to (allegedly) help the poor, so what's your point?

spencerflem 2y ago
My point is, Jesus is not a good source to say that having Billionaires and Hundred Billionaires are OK, Here's an actual quote, not a made up sarcastic one "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” and that the church itself runs one of the biggest "redistribution schemes"
- HideousKojima 2y ago
  And I completely agree with what Jesus said. But that's something between the wealthy and God, not the wealthy and the state. And once again, various Christian churches' tithe and charity systems are voluntary, not enforced by state violence.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    Are you an anarchist? Because there's some argument there, I'm not writing it off. But in your world, does the govt use violence to stop people from doing what they want? For enforcing things like labor contracts? (a made up legal fiction that can only exist in the context of a state) If no: I commend you for imagining a world free from state violence. I don't have the vision for it myself but I can respect that. if yes: 1. Who funds the police, & 2. Why is violence legal only when done by the rich?
piva00 2y ago
The state is not collecting taxes to "allegedly" help the poor, it's to help society as a whole. Who benefits from having a well educated society? Everyone. Who benefits from having a healthy society? Everyone. Who benefits from having well maintained infrastructure? Everyone. Who benefits from social safety nets, providing a soft landing in case of illness, failure at a business endeavour, etc.? Everyone. Your view that the state is only using taxes to help the poor is absurd, a well running government benefits a whole society.

spencerflem 2y ago

My point is, Jesus is not a good source to say that having Billionaires and Hundred Billionaires are OK, Here's an actual quote, not a made up sarcastic one "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” and that the church itself runs one of the biggest "redistribution schemes"

HideousKojima 2y ago
And I completely agree with what Jesus said. But that's something between the wealthy and God, not the wealthy and the state. And once again, various Christian churches' tithe and charity systems are voluntary, not enforced by state violence.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  Are you an anarchist? Because there's some argument there, I'm not writing it off. But in your world, does the govt use violence to stop people from doing what they want? For enforcing things like labor contracts? (a made up legal fiction that can only exist in the context of a state) If no: I commend you for imagining a world free from state violence. I don't have the vision for it myself but I can respect that. if yes: 1. Who funds the police, & 2. Why is violence legal only when done by the rich?

piva00 2y ago

The state is not collecting taxes to "allegedly" help the poor, it's to help society as a whole. Who benefits from having a well educated society? Everyone. Who benefits from having a healthy society? Everyone. Who benefits from having well maintained infrastructure? Everyone. Who benefits from social safety nets, providing a soft landing in case of illness, failure at a business endeavour, etc.? Everyone. Your view that the state is only using taxes to help the poor is absurd, a well running government benefits a whole society.