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Because as Jesus said, "If there be any poor among you, do not give of your substance to them. Rather, have the Romans take it from that rich jerk down the road

Because as Jesus said, "If there be any poor among you, do not give of your substance to them. Rather, have the Romans take it from that rich jerk down the road at spear-point and have them give a pittance to the poor and waste the rest on bureaucracy and wars."

spencerflem 2y ago
Jesus was famous for upturning the tables of the money lenders, and their church has a tithe
- HideousKojima 2y ago
  Both of which are fine by me, and neither of which are state enforced resdistribution schemes to (allegedly) help the poor, so what's your point?
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    My point is, Jesus is not a good source to say that having Billionaires and Hundred Billionaires are OK, Here's an actual quote, not a made up sarcastic one "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” and that the church itself runs one of the biggest "redistribution schemes"
    - HideousKojima 2y ago
      And I completely agree with what Jesus said. But that's something between the wealthy and God, not the wealthy and the state. And once again, various Christian churches' tithe and charity systems are voluntary, not enforced by state violence.
      - spencerflem 2y ago
        Are you an anarchist? Because there's some argument there, I'm not writing it off. But in your world, does the govt use violence to stop people from doing what they want? For enforcing things like labor contracts? (a made up legal fiction that can only exist in the context of a state) If no: I commend you for imagining a world free from state violence. I don't have the vision for it myself but I can respect that. if yes: 1. Who funds the police, & 2. Why is violence legal only when done by the rich?
  - piva00 2y ago
    The state is not collecting taxes to "allegedly" help the poor, it's to help society as a whole. Who benefits from having a well educated society? Everyone. Who benefits from having a healthy society? Everyone. Who benefits from having well maintained infrastructure? Everyone. Who benefits from social safety nets, providing a soft landing in case of illness, failure at a business endeavour, etc.? Everyone. Your view that the state is only using taxes to help the poor is absurd, a well running government benefits a whole society.
Brian_K_White 2y ago
Was Jesus presented as any part of the reasoning behind this?

spencerflem 2y ago

Jesus was famous for upturning the tables of the money lenders, and their church has a tithe

HideousKojima 2y ago
Both of which are fine by me, and neither of which are state enforced resdistribution schemes to (allegedly) help the poor, so what's your point?
- spencerflem 2y ago
  My point is, Jesus is not a good source to say that having Billionaires and Hundred Billionaires are OK, Here's an actual quote, not a made up sarcastic one "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” and that the church itself runs one of the biggest "redistribution schemes"
  - HideousKojima 2y ago
    And I completely agree with what Jesus said. But that's something between the wealthy and God, not the wealthy and the state. And once again, various Christian churches' tithe and charity systems are voluntary, not enforced by state violence.
    - spencerflem 2y ago
      Are you an anarchist? Because there's some argument there, I'm not writing it off. But in your world, does the govt use violence to stop people from doing what they want? For enforcing things like labor contracts? (a made up legal fiction that can only exist in the context of a state) If no: I commend you for imagining a world free from state violence. I don't have the vision for it myself but I can respect that. if yes: 1. Who funds the police, & 2. Why is violence legal only when done by the rich?
- piva00 2y ago
  The state is not collecting taxes to "allegedly" help the poor, it's to help society as a whole. Who benefits from having a well educated society? Everyone. Who benefits from having a healthy society? Everyone. Who benefits from having well maintained infrastructure? Everyone. Who benefits from social safety nets, providing a soft landing in case of illness, failure at a business endeavour, etc.? Everyone. Your view that the state is only using taxes to help the poor is absurd, a well running government benefits a whole society.

Brian_K_White 2y ago

Was Jesus presented as any part of the reasoning behind this?