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Nah. As a night owl myself it’s simply that I have trouble falling asleep due to an overactive mind. Add two hours or more of rolling around and instead of gett

by tensor 2y ago

Nah. As a night owl myself it’s simply that I have trouble falling asleep due to an overactive mind. Add two hours or more of rolling around and instead of getting up at 7 I’m getting up at 9. And before someone chimes in with sleep advice, please don’t. I’ve tried it all. Some rings help a bit but at the end of the day nothing makes enough of a difference. I just need those two hours my feet to the point when I can sleep. Also no, going to bed before everyone else is not an option. I’m not giving up having a social life.

YokoZar 2y ago
A night owl who feels pressured to wake at 7 or even 9am is a genuine tragedy. I am extremely fortunate to have a career where I can sleep my natural hours of somewhere around 4:30 AM until after noon. But I had to fight for it, and set boundaries. I would encourage everyone with a late chronotype to seriously consider spending some time finding such work, as finally getting good sleep will be a major unlock for your life and happiness.
- yuye 2y ago
  >A night owl who feels pressured to wake at 7 or even 9am is a genuine tragedy. I'm very much a night owl. My whole childhood, I've been told by people that I can't choose to get out of bed late once I start working. Their message was clear: "Quit this lazy and childish behavior." Nowadays, I sleep at 0:00-1:00 and get up at 7.30. I hate it. The world lacks empathy for us.
The_Colonel 2y ago
An anecdote, but I used to be a night owl. Like you, I had trouble falling asleep in the evening and then getting up in the morning. Now in my thirties, it turned around. I fall dead asleep at 9-10 PM and wake up at 4-5 AM, not being able to sleep further. The change coincides with me getting kids, but I don't think it alone can explain this.
- PaulRobinson 2y ago
  It can definitely change over time. In my 30s I went from wanting to stay up until 2am or later, and getting up at 9-10am, to wanting to be asleep by 10pm and getting up before 6am, every day of the week, including weekends - staying out late socialising is now weirdly hard work, and I'm basically done with work by 4:30-5pm and ready to start winding down. I don't have kids, something just flipped over the course of a year or two.
  - seba_dos1 2y ago
    I'm flipping regularly, every month or two. All you need is lack of constant schedule and ADHD; suddenly days start to be longer than 24h and you can't just go to bed earlier (well, you can, but you'll just lay there awake for hours). For a while I had one meeting each week at work and free rein otherwise - so sometimes I was waking up early for it, and sometimes went to bed late because of it. I've noticed that when I'm flipped to be awake in early morning, I get tired really fast. It's like a cutoff hour - I have missed some concerts just because they started at 7-8 PM which was around bed time for me at the time. When I'm in the evening/night mode, I can be much more flexible. It seems much harder to flip out of morning mode than to flip into it, even though I really don't like how I'm feeling across the day. It requires conscious effort to beat the cutoff, while flipping out of evening mode just happens on its own eventually if I'm not careful enough. I was never a morning person whenever I had to follow a schedule.
    - PaulRobinson 2y ago
      I think structuring days can help. I often am up at 6am with nothing to do for hours on end (it's a Sunday, my partner is not getting up until 10am, so I guess it's reading time or going for a walk time...?), but what I've found helps is marking blocks out in my calendar and then getting a reminder what its time to do. Some weekdays at a certain time, it's time to go for a run. Saturday afternoons are side projects or spending time doing something with friends and family. Weekday evenings have a broad pattern to them (you won't see me in a cinema on a Friday night, or in the pub on a Monday...) This structure seems to help regulate a ton of stuff, including eating, sleeping and so on. Some people "don't like routine", which I get, but you can basically block out sleep (plus an hour either side), and then riff in the middle, the key is try and get your head down around the same time, 7 nights a week, and try and learn the military sleep method [1] to get some consistency if you need it. Good luck with settling it down, if that's what you want/need! [1] https://www.dreams.co.uk/sleep-matters-club/what-is-the-military-sleep-method https://www.dreams.co.uk/sleep-matters-club/what-is-the-mili...
Aerbil313 2y ago
No sleep advice. Do you talked with a psychiatrist about ADHD? I had a similar experience before my diagnosis.

by tensor 2y ago

YokoZar 2y ago

A night owl who feels pressured to wake at 7 or even 9am is a genuine tragedy. I am extremely fortunate to have a career where I can sleep my natural hours of somewhere around 4:30 AM until after noon. But I had to fight for it, and set boundaries. I would encourage everyone with a late chronotype to seriously consider spending some time finding such work, as finally getting good sleep will be a major unlock for your life and happiness.

yuye 2y ago
>A night owl who feels pressured to wake at 7 or even 9am is a genuine tragedy. I'm very much a night owl. My whole childhood, I've been told by people that I can't choose to get out of bed late once I start working. Their message was clear: "Quit this lazy and childish behavior." Nowadays, I sleep at 0:00-1:00 and get up at 7.30. I hate it. The world lacks empathy for us.

The_Colonel 2y ago

An anecdote, but I used to be a night owl. Like you, I had trouble falling asleep in the evening and then getting up in the morning. Now in my thirties, it turned around. I fall dead asleep at 9-10 PM and wake up at 4-5 AM, not being able to sleep further. The change coincides with me getting kids, but I don't think it alone can explain this.

PaulRobinson 2y ago
It can definitely change over time. In my 30s I went from wanting to stay up until 2am or later, and getting up at 9-10am, to wanting to be asleep by 10pm and getting up before 6am, every day of the week, including weekends - staying out late socialising is now weirdly hard work, and I'm basically done with work by 4:30-5pm and ready to start winding down. I don't have kids, something just flipped over the course of a year or two.
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  I'm flipping regularly, every month or two. All you need is lack of constant schedule and ADHD; suddenly days start to be longer than 24h and you can't just go to bed earlier (well, you can, but you'll just lay there awake for hours). For a while I had one meeting each week at work and free rein otherwise - so sometimes I was waking up early for it, and sometimes went to bed late because of it. I've noticed that when I'm flipped to be awake in early morning, I get tired really fast. It's like a cutoff hour - I have missed some concerts just because they started at 7-8 PM which was around bed time for me at the time. When I'm in the evening/night mode, I can be much more flexible. It seems much harder to flip out of morning mode than to flip into it, even though I really don't like how I'm feeling across the day. It requires conscious effort to beat the cutoff, while flipping out of evening mode just happens on its own eventually if I'm not careful enough. I was never a morning person whenever I had to follow a schedule.
  - PaulRobinson 2y ago
    I think structuring days can help. I often am up at 6am with nothing to do for hours on end (it's a Sunday, my partner is not getting up until 10am, so I guess it's reading time or going for a walk time...?), but what I've found helps is marking blocks out in my calendar and then getting a reminder what its time to do. Some weekdays at a certain time, it's time to go for a run. Saturday afternoons are side projects or spending time doing something with friends and family. Weekday evenings have a broad pattern to them (you won't see me in a cinema on a Friday night, or in the pub on a Monday...) This structure seems to help regulate a ton of stuff, including eating, sleeping and so on. Some people "don't like routine", which I get, but you can basically block out sleep (plus an hour either side), and then riff in the middle, the key is try and get your head down around the same time, 7 nights a week, and try and learn the military sleep method [1] to get some consistency if you need it. Good luck with settling it down, if that's what you want/need! [1] https://www.dreams.co.uk/sleep-matters-club/what-is-the-military-sleep-method https://www.dreams.co.uk/sleep-matters-club/what-is-the-mili...

Aerbil313 2y ago

No sleep advice. Do you talked with a psychiatrist about ADHD? I had a similar experience before my diagnosis.