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assume a dev is $100k/year... so $200k with taxes, benes, etc. That's 16,666/month, at 1.5 months is 25k. So it'll take 3.5 months to break even. And they'd sav

assume a dev is $100k/year... so $200k with taxes, benes, etc. That's 16,666/month, at 1.5 months is 25k. So it'll take 3.5 months to break even. And they'd save around .8 of their pay, or .4 of their total cost a year... Generally I am hoping my devs are working a good multiplier to their pay for revenue they generate. Not sure I'd use them this way if there was other things to do. That said sounds like it was mainly for GDPR so.

p_l 2y ago
Now consider that some places are not in Silly Valley, or not even in USA, and the fully loaded cost of engineer (who, once done with on-prem or at least more "owned" stack, can take on other problems) can be way, way lower
- grogenaut 2y ago
  These numbers are actually WAY LOW for silicon valley. If I was doing the ROI for an Amazon employee I'd start with around 350 for an SDE all told for entry level and half a mill for one with a few years experience. But they're also way high for other places. And just right. The point is how to do the math not the ballpark. Also that even at 100k for a dev it's maybe a wash depending on your time horizon.
  - p_l 2y ago
    My experience is that a lot of "simpler alternatives" ballooned costs beyond cost of someone to wrangle the more complex solution - and well, after initial pains, the workload drops so you can have them tackle other problems if not at full time. Or as I said it few times at meetups, Heroku is what I use when I want to go bankrupt (that was before Heroku got sold)
icameron 2y ago
Where are you finding capable DevOps engineers for 100k total comp? It’s hard to find someone with the skills to rebuild a SaaS production stack who’s willing to work for that little around here!
- subarctic 2y ago
  Europe, probably
  - whizzter 2y ago
    Correct, mynewsdesk (that created this reclaim the stack thing) is a Swedish company.
- Maxion 2y ago
  100k Eur is high salary for a dev. A unicorn who knows they are one, won't agree to that salary, but would for 150k or 200k.
- grogenaut 2y ago
  I'm picking a random salary that's not too high that lower comp countries/industries will reject, and not too low that higher comp countries / industries will reject, and then doing math on those. You can then take my numbers or math and plug in YOUR comp rates. But the TL;DR I've seen is many people never even do napkin math like this on ROI.

p_l 2y ago

Now consider that some places are not in Silly Valley, or not even in USA, and the fully loaded cost of engineer (who, once done with on-prem or at least more "owned" stack, can take on other problems) can be way, way lower

grogenaut 2y ago
These numbers are actually WAY LOW for silicon valley. If I was doing the ROI for an Amazon employee I'd start with around 350 for an SDE all told for entry level and half a mill for one with a few years experience. But they're also way high for other places. And just right. The point is how to do the math not the ballpark. Also that even at 100k for a dev it's maybe a wash depending on your time horizon.
- p_l 2y ago
  My experience is that a lot of "simpler alternatives" ballooned costs beyond cost of someone to wrangle the more complex solution - and well, after initial pains, the workload drops so you can have them tackle other problems if not at full time. Or as I said it few times at meetups, Heroku is what I use when I want to go bankrupt (that was before Heroku got sold)

icameron 2y ago

Where are you finding capable DevOps engineers for 100k total comp? It’s hard to find someone with the skills to rebuild a SaaS production stack who’s willing to work for that little around here!

subarctic 2y ago
Europe, probably
- whizzter 2y ago
  Correct, mynewsdesk (that created this reclaim the stack thing) is a Swedish company.
Maxion 2y ago
100k Eur is high salary for a dev. A unicorn who knows they are one, won't agree to that salary, but would for 150k or 200k.
grogenaut 2y ago
I'm picking a random salary that's not too high that lower comp countries/industries will reject, and not too low that higher comp countries / industries will reject, and then doing math on those. You can then take my numbers or math and plug in YOUR comp rates. But the TL;DR I've seen is many people never even do napkin math like this on ROI.