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Study links bananas, oats and yoghurt to greater diabetes risk in susceptible

31 points by uxhacker 2y ago

im3w1l 2y ago
Type 1
- nimchimpsky 2y ago
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cududa 2y ago
Headline should indicate this is in regards to people with or type 1 diabetes or at risk of developing it
moi2388 2y ago
“ The professor behind the findings said the fact that some fruits contain traces of pesticides may explain why some of them heighten, but others cut, the risk of type 1 diabetes.” That makes more sense.
- reducesuffering 2y ago
  Does it? The pesticide findings I've seen indicate berries like strawberries and blueberries have some of the highest levels of pesticides in produce.[0] Though a comparison against staple grains like wheat and soybeans wasn't analysed, corn had low pesticides. If it was purely an amount of pesticide issue, the study would've highlighted low pesticide options like avocado, asparagus, or melons. [0] https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php
  - carlmr 2y ago
    >If it was purely an amount of pesticide issue It could be amount x type of pesticide used. Maybe it's a single pesticide that is used mostly on Bananas but not berries, that is at fault here.
- k__ 2y ago
  Pesticides prevent diabetes?
- Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
  I'd expect bananas to have lower than average amounts of pesticides though. The edible part is enclosed in a thick skin that is discarded. And all the small-time banana growers I know, who use pesticides on other crops, just let their bananas grow naturally.
  - iszomer 2y ago
    Or alternatively wrap their banana stalks with canvas material or grown in an enclosed area covered in tarp.
darkhorn 2y ago
Why yogurt? It doesn't contain carbonhydrates.
- waihtis 2y ago
  Basic greek yogurt is guaranteed to be healthy due to low sugar content & fermentation. Yogurt in this context probably refers to some kiddy yogurts loaded with sugar and additives.
- nimchimpsky 2y ago
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- Ekaros 2y ago
  One you mix with oats might have... That is adding sugary fruit/berry yogurt to make oats more palatable. Same goes for bananas.
- carlmr 2y ago
  The headline is missing type 1. Type 2 is the one that is usually caused by insulin resistance.
- bni 2y ago
  Yoghurt (with some exceptions) contain lots of sugar. Better to eat greek yoghurt or quark.
  - darkhorn 2y ago
    Oh, Jesus Christ! Why they don't write sugary yogurt? I forgot that Americans were consuming yogurt with sugar. Normally there is no sugar in the yogurt. There is sugar only if you add it. In the Balkans and Central Asia yogurt is sold without adding sugar.
    - dustincoates 2y ago
      It's not just Americans that add sugar to yogurt. [0][1] If you don't want to translate that, the second ingredient in the listing is sugar. The second link says that 50% of French people add sugar to the plain yogurt they buy from the store. 0: https://www.carrefour.fr/p/yaourt-fruits-mixes-brasse-carrefour-classic-3245412897993?t=36995 https://www.carrefour.fr/p/yaourt-fruits-mixes-brasse-carref... 1: https://www.cerin.org/breves-scientifiques/quelle-quantite-de-sucre-ajoute-t-on-dans-notre-yaourt-nature/ https://www.cerin.org/breves-scientifiques/quelle-quantite-d...
Cokainsky 2y ago
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addicted 2y ago
The study seems fine but the presentation is terrible. There is no reason to believe there is even an association between diet and Type 1 diabetes. In the absence of evidence for even this basic fact, simply finding a correlation between a whole bunch of foods and Type 1 diabetes seems fraught with all sorts of issues beyond even the fact that the study design can simply find correlations and not causations any ways. You can also see the biases that the news likes to present. The correlation is not causation proviso is barely mentioned, and most of the article shows it as a causal link and uses the speculation that I may be pesticides to justify this causal link, when it comes to bananas, oats and yoghurt. However, the last couple of paragraphs which mention the correlation between staying up at night and Type 2 diabetes (a disease where lifestyle factors are known to have a causal effect), the fact that it’s a correlation is mentioned almost immediately and forms the bulk of the reporting.
- elp 2y ago
  Without a lot more information I suspect this is a correlation is not causation issue. The same way that heart disease is strongly correlated with drinking diet soda. Once the person begins suffering from heart disease, diabetes etc they have a strong tendency to change their diet which causes the correlation.
IndrekR 2y ago
Abstract for the dtudy with more details: https://easddistribute.m-anage.com/from.storage?image=_7kskXNPTVTNfUO7Ea5J39K0nO60D8xGIYSB35yu0QeuVN-W1e8DjFnNjRbzFTA70 https://easddistribute.m-anage.com/from.storage?image=_7kskX...
waihtis 2y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10884602/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10884602/ Heres the actual study, but neither yogurt or oats are mentioned as part of the food groups studied, other than a fleeting mention of fruit yogurt being excluded as a source of fruit We should stop linking low quality bait like Guardian articles on this website
- 0xEF 2y ago
  Agreed, though any study should link to the paper published by said study. It's not just the Guardian. The media outlets are all equally and dangerously poor at science journalism and presenting findings in an appropriate way, and should be banned from doing so due unless we can find a way to stop incentivising sensationalism.
  - waihtis 2y ago
    This is just downright dangerous too. Imagine a parent seeing this and now depriving their kids from valuable nutrition sources like yoghurt and oats because "the paper said theyre harmful"
    - 0xEF 2y ago
      This is exactly the thing I am most fearful of. I grew up in the 80's & 90's (US) so I can only speak to that time period, but my mom was especially prone to treating the evening news as a science authority. Their delivery of sensationalized studies had my childhood diet changing by the week and I was not the only kid in school experiencing this. What readers of media outlets fail to remember is that your outlet of choice has worked to earn your trust for a reason. The reporter may even have the best of intentions in delivering news that makes us question bananas or yogurt, but in not recognizing the risks of their presumed authority, they are being grossly negligent and irresponsible with information. It is a problem. We want to be informed, but who do you trust? Even scientific papers are prone to non-scientific influence, the studies themselves sometimes incentivized toward certain outcomes to please the sources of their grant money, or whatever. If we are just supposed to take every bit of info we consume with a grain of salt, the persistent low-grade stress and anxiety that comes with that is equally as damning as just throwing your hat into one particular media outlet's ring and saying "fine, whatever, I trust these guys." This is the stuff that keeps me up at night, if I'm being honest.
jaggs 2y ago
The Guardian is definitely becoming a junk article source. Shame.
ddmf 2y ago
That's something very strange because I certainly would associate oats as a low GI food. So is it polyphenols in the berries that reduce T1D incidence, or the pesticides found on fruits that cause it...
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  the article calls out pesticides explicitly

31 points by uxhacker 2y ago

im3w1l 2y ago

Type 1

nimchimpsky 2y ago
[dead]

cududa 2y ago

Headline should indicate this is in regards to people with or type 1 diabetes or at risk of developing it

moi2388 2y ago

“ The professor behind the findings said the fact that some fruits contain traces of pesticides may explain why some of them heighten, but others cut, the risk of type 1 diabetes.” That makes more sense.

reducesuffering 2y ago
Does it? The pesticide findings I've seen indicate berries like strawberries and blueberries have some of the highest levels of pesticides in produce.[0] Though a comparison against staple grains like wheat and soybeans wasn't analysed, corn had low pesticides. If it was purely an amount of pesticide issue, the study would've highlighted low pesticide options like avocado, asparagus, or melons. [0] https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php
- carlmr 2y ago
  >If it was purely an amount of pesticide issue It could be amount x type of pesticide used. Maybe it's a single pesticide that is used mostly on Bananas but not berries, that is at fault here.
k__ 2y ago
Pesticides prevent diabetes?
Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
I'd expect bananas to have lower than average amounts of pesticides though. The edible part is enclosed in a thick skin that is discarded. And all the small-time banana growers I know, who use pesticides on other crops, just let their bananas grow naturally.
- iszomer 2y ago
  Or alternatively wrap their banana stalks with canvas material or grown in an enclosed area covered in tarp.

darkhorn 2y ago

Why yogurt? It doesn't contain carbonhydrates.

waihtis 2y ago
Basic greek yogurt is guaranteed to be healthy due to low sugar content & fermentation. Yogurt in this context probably refers to some kiddy yogurts loaded with sugar and additives.
nimchimpsky 2y ago
[dead]
Ekaros 2y ago
One you mix with oats might have... That is adding sugary fruit/berry yogurt to make oats more palatable. Same goes for bananas.
carlmr 2y ago
The headline is missing type 1. Type 2 is the one that is usually caused by insulin resistance.
bni 2y ago
Yoghurt (with some exceptions) contain lots of sugar. Better to eat greek yoghurt or quark.
- darkhorn 2y ago
  Oh, Jesus Christ! Why they don't write sugary yogurt? I forgot that Americans were consuming yogurt with sugar. Normally there is no sugar in the yogurt. There is sugar only if you add it. In the Balkans and Central Asia yogurt is sold without adding sugar.
  - dustincoates 2y ago
    It's not just Americans that add sugar to yogurt. [0][1] If you don't want to translate that, the second ingredient in the listing is sugar. The second link says that 50% of French people add sugar to the plain yogurt they buy from the store. 0: https://www.carrefour.fr/p/yaourt-fruits-mixes-brasse-carrefour-classic-3245412897993?t=36995 https://www.carrefour.fr/p/yaourt-fruits-mixes-brasse-carref... 1: https://www.cerin.org/breves-scientifiques/quelle-quantite-de-sucre-ajoute-t-on-dans-notre-yaourt-nature/ https://www.cerin.org/breves-scientifiques/quelle-quantite-d...

Cokainsky 2y ago

[dead]

addicted 2y ago

The study seems fine but the presentation is terrible. There is no reason to believe there is even an association between diet and Type 1 diabetes. In the absence of evidence for even this basic fact, simply finding a correlation between a whole bunch of foods and Type 1 diabetes seems fraught with all sorts of issues beyond even the fact that the study design can simply find correlations and not causations any ways. You can also see the biases that the news likes to present. The correlation is not causation proviso is barely mentioned, and most of the article shows it as a causal link and uses the speculation that I may be pesticides to justify this causal link, when it comes to bananas, oats and yoghurt. However, the last couple of paragraphs which mention the correlation between staying up at night and Type 2 diabetes (a disease where lifestyle factors are known to have a causal effect), the fact that it’s a correlation is mentioned almost immediately and forms the bulk of the reporting.

elp 2y ago
Without a lot more information I suspect this is a correlation is not causation issue. The same way that heart disease is strongly correlated with drinking diet soda. Once the person begins suffering from heart disease, diabetes etc they have a strong tendency to change their diet which causes the correlation.

IndrekR 2y ago

Abstract for the dtudy with more details: https://easddistribute.m-anage.com/from.storage?image=_7kskXNPTVTNfUO7Ea5J39K0nO60D8xGIYSB35yu0QeuVN-W1e8DjFnNjRbzFTA70 https://easddistribute.m-anage.com/from.storage?image=_7kskX...

waihtis 2y ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10884602/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10884602/ Heres the actual study, but neither yogurt or oats are mentioned as part of the food groups studied, other than a fleeting mention of fruit yogurt being excluded as a source of fruit We should stop linking low quality bait like Guardian articles on this website

0xEF 2y ago
Agreed, though any study should link to the paper published by said study. It's not just the Guardian. The media outlets are all equally and dangerously poor at science journalism and presenting findings in an appropriate way, and should be banned from doing so due unless we can find a way to stop incentivising sensationalism.
- waihtis 2y ago
  This is just downright dangerous too. Imagine a parent seeing this and now depriving their kids from valuable nutrition sources like yoghurt and oats because "the paper said theyre harmful"
  - 0xEF 2y ago
    This is exactly the thing I am most fearful of. I grew up in the 80's & 90's (US) so I can only speak to that time period, but my mom was especially prone to treating the evening news as a science authority. Their delivery of sensationalized studies had my childhood diet changing by the week and I was not the only kid in school experiencing this. What readers of media outlets fail to remember is that your outlet of choice has worked to earn your trust for a reason. The reporter may even have the best of intentions in delivering news that makes us question bananas or yogurt, but in not recognizing the risks of their presumed authority, they are being grossly negligent and irresponsible with information. It is a problem. We want to be informed, but who do you trust? Even scientific papers are prone to non-scientific influence, the studies themselves sometimes incentivized toward certain outcomes to please the sources of their grant money, or whatever. If we are just supposed to take every bit of info we consume with a grain of salt, the persistent low-grade stress and anxiety that comes with that is equally as damning as just throwing your hat into one particular media outlet's ring and saying "fine, whatever, I trust these guys." This is the stuff that keeps me up at night, if I'm being honest.

jaggs 2y ago

The Guardian is definitely becoming a junk article source. Shame.

ddmf 2y ago

That's something very strange because I certainly would associate oats as a low GI food. So is it polyphenols in the berries that reduce T1D incidence, or the pesticides found on fruits that cause it...

red-iron-pine 2y ago
the article calls out pesticides explicitly