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Of course, this trend such as "software defined vehicles" is happening with all cars, not just EVs. The main problem points for incompatibility are places wher

by bo1024 2y ago

Of course, this trend such as "software defined vehicles" is happening with all cars, not just EVs. The main problem points for incompatibility are places where the car interfaces with software outside of itself. As that software gets updated or APIs change, the car can go out of date. I think chargers and automatic payments might be the most important one there.

ggreer 2y ago
Chargers and payments are a solved problem. The charging ports are standardized (NACS in North America & Japan, GB/T in China, and CCS2 everywhere else). The protocols for automatic payment are also standardized. Some EVs made by other manufacturers lack support for the payment protocols, so Tesla has started rolling out credit card readers to their Supercharging stations as a fallback. So even if there's a new automatic payment standard, in the future you'll be able to use a credit card to pay. The first generation Model S still works just fine at Superchargers. Any EV you buy today is even more likely to have support a decade from now.
breerbgoat 2y ago
And that's why no one should be buying any Chinese EVs except BYD. (if you absolutely have to buy a Chinese EV). All Chinese car manufacturers except BYD are losing money with every car they sell, and insiders agree that every other Chinese EVs except BYD will fold or go into bankruptcy. Why did Chinese companies jump into the car industries producing cars when they didn't have the know-how before? simple, rent seeking. Chinese government was offering incentives to do so. https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-indictment-of-government-policy/ https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-i... A “life and death race” has begun to unfold in the world’s largest market for electric vehicles - https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/china-ev-industry-competition-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/china-ev-industry-co...
pornel 2y ago
Why would chargers break compatibility? The protocols are open standards, and there's a huge install base for them in both cars and dispensers. Even Tesla's NACS adopted the ISO 15118 protocol, the same as in CCS cars in US and Europe, which allows use of dumb adapters to keep backwards compatibility.
- bo1024 2y ago
  Sorry, I should clarify that I'm not worried they actually will, just that that charging seems like the most vulnerable point in terms of relying on outside software.

by bo1024 2y ago

ggreer 2y ago

Chargers and payments are a solved problem. The charging ports are standardized (NACS in North America & Japan, GB/T in China, and CCS2 everywhere else). The protocols for automatic payment are also standardized. Some EVs made by other manufacturers lack support for the payment protocols, so Tesla has started rolling out credit card readers to their Supercharging stations as a fallback. So even if there's a new automatic payment standard, in the future you'll be able to use a credit card to pay. The first generation Model S still works just fine at Superchargers. Any EV you buy today is even more likely to have support a decade from now.

breerbgoat 2y ago

And that's why no one should be buying any Chinese EVs except BYD. (if you absolutely have to buy a Chinese EV). All Chinese car manufacturers except BYD are losing money with every car they sell, and insiders agree that every other Chinese EVs except BYD will fold or go into bankruptcy. Why did Chinese companies jump into the car industries producing cars when they didn't have the know-how before? simple, rent seeking. Chinese government was offering incentives to do so. https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-indictment-of-government-policy/ https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-i... A “life and death race” has begun to unfold in the world’s largest market for electric vehicles - https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/china-ev-industry-competition-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/china-ev-industry-co...

pornel 2y ago

Why would chargers break compatibility? The protocols are open standards, and there's a huge install base for them in both cars and dispensers. Even Tesla's NACS adopted the ISO 15118 protocol, the same as in CCS cars in US and Europe, which allows use of dumb adapters to keep backwards compatibility.

bo1024 2y ago
Sorry, I should clarify that I'm not worried they actually will, just that that charging seems like the most vulnerable point in terms of relying on outside software.