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I am a photographer. Old school film, published etc. It is so odd to see people with this camera out in the wild. I talk to them. For many it is their first ca

I am a photographer. Old school film, published etc. It is so odd to see people with this camera out in the wild. I talk to them. For many it is their first camera. They show me their photographs and they are horrible and they tell me they are trying to sell them. This camera is selling because baby boomers are in retirement and traveling and they all think they cam be a great photographer if they buy this camera. It is a tragic waste of money and a waste for the environment.

_fs 2y ago
Why does it bother you how other's spend their money and time? If someone is sharing their pictures with you, they are really just hoping to spark a conversation. They probably are not seeking mockery and judgement.
- otabdeveloper4 2y ago
  > waste of money and a waste for the environment I think he explained it well.
  - ywvcbk 2y ago
    The environmental impact of a > $5000k camera is minimal compared to any type of more disposable electronic other consumer devices.
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      How about not buying a camera at all and using the camera on your phone? But I had a Canon point and shoot that lasted 6 years so I have no idea what you are talking about.
      - ywvcbk 2y ago
        That almost everything you buy or do has a bigger impact than buying that camera would per same amount of $. btw how old is your phone? Car? MPG? Washing machine? Fridge? How many electronic devices have you bought in the last 5 years?
  - newaccount74 2y ago
    A high end camera is probably one of the least wasteful electronics products. They last at least a decade. Just a few weeks ago, I sold my Nikon D70. So even entry level DSLRs stay useful for 20 years. There are few products with such a long lifetime.
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      Least wasteful is still wasteful, you are missing the point. How many people need these cameras, as opposed to wanting one based on marketing? Why are these people not buying all the used D70's on the market? There are 700 of them on ebay right now. 500 D80 and 500 D90's as well. They would be better off carrying around a Cannon SX740 for 1/6 of the price. If you cannot take a good photograph with that then you will not take one with a Z9. People buy these cameras because they have the money that other people do not and they think the camera makes the photograph. It is like thinking the paintbrush makes the painting.
    - Sesse__ 2y ago
      I am still using my Nikon D4 (2012), but they simply don't make parts for it anymore. These are mechanical devices, so they will simply wear out with use (I got pretty much the last spare parts that existed in my country when it last needed servicing). I find it a bit sad; I could understand it for a dinky plastic camera, but with a flagship device, why can't they just make a bunch of parts and put it on a shelf for 30 years? Eventually I'll probably buy a mirrorless; but I guess with a shutter count of 196 613, it's had a pretty good run…
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Because how others spend their time and money is not in some bubble that does not affect the environment and the economy which also affects me. (I am also homeless in a minivan so watching someone carry around a $6000 (mines the lenses!) camera for funsies just signals that they are not seeing the suffering of the world. And people who cannot see the suffering of the world,c an they be that creative? These people are also traveling in motor homes complaining about the climate change induced heat. And flooding the internet with crappy photos just makes it harder for people to find good photos and uses more carbon to store their 90MB images in the cloud. Photography is just consumerism now. They care more about the technical than technique. And to make a further point, they talk more about their camera and lenses then they do their photographs. Also, I am the kind of assh0le that tells them to their face what is wrong with their photographs and the conversation ends. So they see my judgement. I no longer own a camera but for my phone. And with that phone I take pictures that people print and hang. The creativity is in composition and subject, not in detail and pixels.
  - formerly_proven 2y ago
    Wow you are not bitter at all.
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      I am not bitter. I am upset that people are homeless and struggling and the same people who buy these cameras complain, or are "concerned", about the homeless. I am upset that it has been over 100 degrees for over 100 days in Phoenix breaking the record by 25 days. I am not bitter, I have compassion. I could imagine you being a Jew calling Jesus bitter when he kicked over the banker's table in the temple.
vr46 2y ago
I’ve not seen one in the wild, except maybe at Photopia Hamburg. It sounds staggeringly accomplished, as all Nikon flagships, but people who have no experience or have forgotten how much big cameras weigh are in for a shock. I bought a used 1DX once and it was both heavy and complex, nothing improved about my photography until I sold it. But it satiated a long desire to have the bestest baddest beast there was. At least it has helped to dig Nikon out of a hole, and the market is competitive again. I still have no need for any of it yet but maybe if I take up birding when I retire…
- postalcoder 2y ago
  Agreed. I used to be a hardcore Nikonite (I'd argue with Canon people on Dpreview forumns) but the form factor of these cameras are just disgusting. I made the switch to Fuji's X-T* and X100* line a few years ago and I haven't looked back. I unearthed a Nikon D4 from the camera bag a while back and I was just disgusted with the form factor. I'm so far gone from my brutalist photography days and I love life as a jpeg maximalist.
  - vr46 2y ago
    The arguments these days are at least well-spread out, suggesting people are finding great fit between themselves and kit. I neglected an X-Pro 1 for years before giving it away, but lovely camera for the right person. My mate shoots Olympus stuff, looks really well-made and professional. Personally, I am occasionally taking full advantage of bargain top-notch kit on the second-hand market, as older gear and stuff that doesn’t fit people gets sold off.
    - postalcoder 2y ago
      Yes indeed. The arguments of long ago were truly unhinged. Every debate used to boil down to 100% crops of ISO 6400 images. Now, each camera system has meaningfully different properties. I've fallen in love with the simplicity of Fuji, BUT I got to try out a relative's digital medium format Hassy.. Horrendous AF, subpar shooting experience, but the images and color depth are undescribably phenomenal. I've got the medium format itch since then, but til it starts raining money, I'm happy with the fuji vibes. I've been picking up lenses on the cheap too. I can't justify buying them new when the depreciation curve so favors the second-hand buyer.
B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago
> they all Sampling bias there.

_fs 2y ago

Why does it bother you how other's spend their money and time? If someone is sharing their pictures with you, they are really just hoping to spark a conversation. They probably are not seeking mockery and judgement.

otabdeveloper4 2y ago
> waste of money and a waste for the environment I think he explained it well.
- ywvcbk 2y ago
  The environmental impact of a > $5000k camera is minimal compared to any type of more disposable electronic other consumer devices.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    How about not buying a camera at all and using the camera on your phone? But I had a Canon point and shoot that lasted 6 years so I have no idea what you are talking about.
    - ywvcbk 2y ago
      That almost everything you buy or do has a bigger impact than buying that camera would per same amount of $. btw how old is your phone? Car? MPG? Washing machine? Fridge? How many electronic devices have you bought in the last 5 years?
- newaccount74 2y ago
  A high end camera is probably one of the least wasteful electronics products. They last at least a decade. Just a few weeks ago, I sold my Nikon D70. So even entry level DSLRs stay useful for 20 years. There are few products with such a long lifetime.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    Least wasteful is still wasteful, you are missing the point. How many people need these cameras, as opposed to wanting one based on marketing? Why are these people not buying all the used D70's on the market? There are 700 of them on ebay right now. 500 D80 and 500 D90's as well. They would be better off carrying around a Cannon SX740 for 1/6 of the price. If you cannot take a good photograph with that then you will not take one with a Z9. People buy these cameras because they have the money that other people do not and they think the camera makes the photograph. It is like thinking the paintbrush makes the painting.
  - Sesse__ 2y ago
    I am still using my Nikon D4 (2012), but they simply don't make parts for it anymore. These are mechanical devices, so they will simply wear out with use (I got pretty much the last spare parts that existed in my country when it last needed servicing). I find it a bit sad; I could understand it for a dinky plastic camera, but with a flagship device, why can't they just make a bunch of parts and put it on a shelf for 30 years? Eventually I'll probably buy a mirrorless; but I guess with a shutter count of 196 613, it's had a pretty good run…
FollowingTheDao 2y ago
Because how others spend their time and money is not in some bubble that does not affect the environment and the economy which also affects me. (I am also homeless in a minivan so watching someone carry around a $6000 (mines the lenses!) camera for funsies just signals that they are not seeing the suffering of the world. And people who cannot see the suffering of the world,c an they be that creative? These people are also traveling in motor homes complaining about the climate change induced heat. And flooding the internet with crappy photos just makes it harder for people to find good photos and uses more carbon to store their 90MB images in the cloud. Photography is just consumerism now. They care more about the technical than technique. And to make a further point, they talk more about their camera and lenses then they do their photographs. Also, I am the kind of assh0le that tells them to their face what is wrong with their photographs and the conversation ends. So they see my judgement. I no longer own a camera but for my phone. And with that phone I take pictures that people print and hang. The creativity is in composition and subject, not in detail and pixels.
- formerly_proven 2y ago
  Wow you are not bitter at all.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    I am not bitter. I am upset that people are homeless and struggling and the same people who buy these cameras complain, or are "concerned", about the homeless. I am upset that it has been over 100 degrees for over 100 days in Phoenix breaking the record by 25 days. I am not bitter, I have compassion. I could imagine you being a Jew calling Jesus bitter when he kicked over the banker's table in the temple.

vr46 2y ago

I’ve not seen one in the wild, except maybe at Photopia Hamburg. It sounds staggeringly accomplished, as all Nikon flagships, but people who have no experience or have forgotten how much big cameras weigh are in for a shock. I bought a used 1DX once and it was both heavy and complex, nothing improved about my photography until I sold it. But it satiated a long desire to have the bestest baddest beast there was. At least it has helped to dig Nikon out of a hole, and the market is competitive again. I still have no need for any of it yet but maybe if I take up birding when I retire…

postalcoder 2y ago
Agreed. I used to be a hardcore Nikonite (I'd argue with Canon people on Dpreview forumns) but the form factor of these cameras are just disgusting. I made the switch to Fuji's X-T* and X100* line a few years ago and I haven't looked back. I unearthed a Nikon D4 from the camera bag a while back and I was just disgusted with the form factor. I'm so far gone from my brutalist photography days and I love life as a jpeg maximalist.
- vr46 2y ago
  The arguments these days are at least well-spread out, suggesting people are finding great fit between themselves and kit. I neglected an X-Pro 1 for years before giving it away, but lovely camera for the right person. My mate shoots Olympus stuff, looks really well-made and professional. Personally, I am occasionally taking full advantage of bargain top-notch kit on the second-hand market, as older gear and stuff that doesn’t fit people gets sold off.
  - postalcoder 2y ago
    Yes indeed. The arguments of long ago were truly unhinged. Every debate used to boil down to 100% crops of ISO 6400 images. Now, each camera system has meaningfully different properties. I've fallen in love with the simplicity of Fuji, BUT I got to try out a relative's digital medium format Hassy.. Horrendous AF, subpar shooting experience, but the images and color depth are undescribably phenomenal. I've got the medium format itch since then, but til it starts raining money, I'm happy with the fuji vibes. I've been picking up lenses on the cheap too. I can't justify buying them new when the depreciation curve so favors the second-hand buyer.

B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago

> they all Sampling bias there.