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That might have been cited as the reason, but I think we all know the real reason is that France is fighting against Russian troops in their former African colo

That might have been cited as the reason, but I think we all know the real reason is that France is fighting against Russian troops in their former African colonies, and Russian troops mainly use Telegram for their communications.

older 2y ago
Who are those "we" you're talking about?
- moi2388 2y ago
  Anybody aware of what’s happening in Africa between France, Russia and Wagner
  - older 2y ago
    Is it some kind of secret bunch of people who know this?
    - t-3 2y ago
      The secret bunch who pay attention to Africa. It's not exactly shouted from the rooftops in western countries as public opinion is not quite as favorable towards colonialism and patronage as they were 100+ years ago.
      - older 2y ago
        I'm more interested to know how this secret bunch of people links all that to arrest of Telegram's CEO (who is a French citizen) in France. Sounds like a regular conspiracy theory and claims like "we all know..." just give more of the same conspiracy vibe.
        t-3 2y ago
        Yeah, I highly doubt Russian soldiers/mercenaries using Telegram is the main reason France went after Durov, but the conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.
        older 2y ago
        Do you consider the Tuareg a "colonialist power" in Africa? Because that's who russia is fighting in Africa: https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284b5d22268605a88a6d034 https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284...
        t-3 2y ago
        That's who Wagner is fighting in Mali right now, but the French were in Mali until 2 years ago. Wagner is also active in many other African countries other than Mali: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Afr... Russia is also providing economic and political support to many African governments, especially those who have turned away from the west and are afraid of regime-change operations.
        foldr 2y ago
        The French left Mali before Wagner arrived.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        The conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while. That the conflicts are well-known and have been happening for a while is quite true of course. But this bizarre framing of these conflicts as "between Russia and colonialist powers" (as if Russia was not also a colonial power, or its influence games in Africa were any different from those of the Western powers) is just propaganda, and rather trite propaganda at that.
        2y ago
        moi2388 2y ago
        Haha alright. Easy there. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, nor is it ‘a bunch of secret people’. It’s well documented that France is fighting with Wagner in their former colonies, as well as Russia undermining their influence there. It’s also well documented that Wagner and Russian troops mainly use Telegram for communication, same as in Ukraine. Again, well documented. And these messages are stored on Russian Telegram services. Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem. But we’ll see what happens with the court case.
        older 2y ago
        > Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem. This statement is demonstrably untrue.
broken-kebab 2y ago
The last part doesn't sound very convincing. Russian mercenaries are not glued to Telegram, and can quickly switch to Signal if needed. I think "we all know" that real reason maybe more related to French gov't being a bit more direct about their wish to have a hand inside popular messengers.
foldr 2y ago
> France is fighting against Russian troops in their former African colonies France and Russia are at war now? Wagner mercenaries moved into Mali after French troops withdrew from it. That's hardly the same thing as French soldiers 'fighting' Russian soldiers.
- moi2388 2y ago
  There have been some skirmishes, but mainly it’s a Cold War for influence. France got kicked out and replaced by Wagner for example. France actually does take their control over their former colonies rather seriously. Perhaps my previous statement was a bit too bold. Let’s just say I would be very surprised if this wasn’t a factor in their decision to now prosecute the owner of Telegram.
  - foldr 2y ago
    >There have been some skirmishes, Source for this? Skirmishes between French soldiers and Wagner mercenaries?

older 2y ago

Who are those "we" you're talking about?

moi2388 2y ago
Anybody aware of what’s happening in Africa between France, Russia and Wagner
- older 2y ago
  Is it some kind of secret bunch of people who know this?
  - t-3 2y ago
    The secret bunch who pay attention to Africa. It's not exactly shouted from the rooftops in western countries as public opinion is not quite as favorable towards colonialism and patronage as they were 100+ years ago.
    - older 2y ago
      I'm more interested to know how this secret bunch of people links all that to arrest of Telegram's CEO (who is a French citizen) in France. Sounds like a regular conspiracy theory and claims like "we all know..." just give more of the same conspiracy vibe.
      - t-3 2y ago
        Yeah, I highly doubt Russian soldiers/mercenaries using Telegram is the main reason France went after Durov, but the conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while.
        older 2y ago
        Do you consider the Tuareg a "colonialist power" in Africa? Because that's who russia is fighting in Africa: https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284b5d22268605a88a6d034 https://apnews.com/article/mali-tuareg-violence-c0b85f6ab284...
        t-3 2y ago
        That's who Wagner is fighting in Mali right now, but the French were in Mali until 2 years ago. Wagner is also active in many other African countries other than Mali: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Afr... Russia is also providing economic and political support to many African governments, especially those who have turned away from the west and are afraid of regime-change operations.
        foldr 2y ago
        The French left Mali before Wagner arrived.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        The conflicts and influence wars between Russia and colonialist powers in Africa is well-known and has been happening for a while. That the conflicts are well-known and have been happening for a while is quite true of course. But this bizarre framing of these conflicts as "between Russia and colonialist powers" (as if Russia was not also a colonial power, or its influence games in Africa were any different from those of the Western powers) is just propaganda, and rather trite propaganda at that.
        2y ago
      - moi2388 2y ago
        Haha alright. Easy there. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, nor is it ‘a bunch of secret people’. It’s well documented that France is fighting with Wagner in their former colonies, as well as Russia undermining their influence there. It’s also well documented that Wagner and Russian troops mainly use Telegram for communication, same as in Ukraine. Again, well documented. And these messages are stored on Russian Telegram services. Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem. But we’ll see what happens with the court case.
        older 2y ago
        > Telegram was completely fine to use in France, until Wagner started causing issues in Africa and then it suddenly became a problem. This statement is demonstrably untrue.

broken-kebab 2y ago

The last part doesn't sound very convincing. Russian mercenaries are not glued to Telegram, and can quickly switch to Signal if needed. I think "we all know" that real reason maybe more related to French gov't being a bit more direct about their wish to have a hand inside popular messengers.

foldr 2y ago

> France is fighting against Russian troops in their former African colonies France and Russia are at war now? Wagner mercenaries moved into Mali after French troops withdrew from it. That's hardly the same thing as French soldiers 'fighting' Russian soldiers.

moi2388 2y ago
There have been some skirmishes, but mainly it’s a Cold War for influence. France got kicked out and replaced by Wagner for example. France actually does take their control over their former colonies rather seriously. Perhaps my previous statement was a bit too bold. Let’s just say I would be very surprised if this wasn’t a factor in their decision to now prosecute the owner of Telegram.
- foldr 2y ago
  >There have been some skirmishes, Source for this? Skirmishes between French soldiers and Wagner mercenaries?