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The U.S. is absolutely creating deportation camps, and there's a national zeal for evicting people here. It's, unfortunately, bipartisan. The conditions in U.S

by hungie 2y ago

The U.S. is absolutely creating deportation camps, and there's a national zeal for evicting people here. It's, unfortunately, bipartisan. The conditions in U.S. camps are dire, children sleeping on bloody straw, smeared with feces. Families separated. Food, water, and shelter inadequate to sustain life in the deserts where these camps are. In Britain, the attitude is similar pro deportation, but the refugees aren't put into camps as far as I know. However, the buildings that they are in have been subject to attacks and arson. The "once again" probably refers to both the historical mainstream opinion that Japanese migrants should be moved to concentration camps within the U.S., and of course the mainstream beliefs in Nazi Germany. (Note, I'm not trying to draw any parallels between any of these camps. Please don't infer that I'm calling anyone nazis except the nazis. These examples can all exist and be over the threshold of "cruel" without needing to be compared to one another.)

luckylion 2y ago
> The U.S. is absolutely creating deportation camps, and there's a national zeal for evicting people here. It's, unfortunately, bipartisan. I believe the point the comment was making is that no reasonable person would call the existence of walls or fences, or the deportation of illegal/undocumented immigrants fascist (even those who believe that free migration is a human right), or that "racial laws" are mainstream (except maybe in affirmative action, but it benefits PoC so the author of the article most likely wouldn't consider it a racial law).
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  > no reasonable person How very no-true-scotsman of them. I think you'll find that quite a few reasonable people consider mass internments and deportations to be pretty far along the spectrum towards fascism
  - luckylion 2y ago
    I doubt that I'd consider them reasonable, unless your "fasiscm spectrum" goes from 0 to 100 and it's "somewhere". Then yes, _everything_ is on that spectrum, it's just that a lot of things are < 10 and some things are > 90 and if you say "well, they're on the spectrum towards fascism therefore they are fascist", I wouldn't label you reasonable. And if you think that deportations are > 90, you have no idea what fascism is.
    - swiftcoder 2y ago
      You've conveniently sidestepped the mass incarceration portion there (the US has stunningly high incarceration rates even ignoring immigration-related cases). The "who" also matters when it comes to deportation. If we were just deporting folks who overstayed their visa, versus a policy of deporting refugees who took great risks to even reach the country, or folks who were raised (and sometimes even born!) in the US... I'd have more sympathy for the anti-immigration crowd.
- hungie 2y ago
  The deported people are still human and deserve basic dignity. If we are going to deport children, throwing them into a concrete cell with bloody straw and feces is absolutely roses to inhumane levels.

by hungie 2y ago

luckylion 2y ago

> The U.S. is absolutely creating deportation camps, and there's a national zeal for evicting people here. It's, unfortunately, bipartisan. I believe the point the comment was making is that no reasonable person would call the existence of walls or fences, or the deportation of illegal/undocumented immigrants fascist (even those who believe that free migration is a human right), or that "racial laws" are mainstream (except maybe in affirmative action, but it benefits PoC so the author of the article most likely wouldn't consider it a racial law).

swiftcoder 2y ago
> no reasonable person How very no-true-scotsman of them. I think you'll find that quite a few reasonable people consider mass internments and deportations to be pretty far along the spectrum towards fascism
- luckylion 2y ago
  I doubt that I'd consider them reasonable, unless your "fasiscm spectrum" goes from 0 to 100 and it's "somewhere". Then yes, _everything_ is on that spectrum, it's just that a lot of things are < 10 and some things are > 90 and if you say "well, they're on the spectrum towards fascism therefore they are fascist", I wouldn't label you reasonable. And if you think that deportations are > 90, you have no idea what fascism is.
  - swiftcoder 2y ago
    You've conveniently sidestepped the mass incarceration portion there (the US has stunningly high incarceration rates even ignoring immigration-related cases). The "who" also matters when it comes to deportation. If we were just deporting folks who overstayed their visa, versus a policy of deporting refugees who took great risks to even reach the country, or folks who were raised (and sometimes even born!) in the US... I'd have more sympathy for the anti-immigration crowd.
hungie 2y ago
The deported people are still human and deserve basic dignity. If we are going to deport children, throwing them into a concrete cell with bloody straw and feces is absolutely roses to inhumane levels.