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> all-inclusive resorts... And these have zero appeal to me as well. As someone who road trips all across the U.S. with the wife, the highlights have of cours
by JKCalhoun 2y ago
> all-inclusive resorts...
And these have zero appeal to me as well.
As someone who road trips all across the U.S. with the wife, the highlights have of course been the serendipitous ones.
- nullstyle 2y agoThere’s a different kind of serendipity that comes with Cruise vacations as opposed to road tripping, but it’s still very much there. Furthermore, I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group; If we want to be together, we’ll be stuck, packed into a van. I can have a great cruise experience with a group that size on a cruise or at a resort. I say this is someone who had taken multiple motorcycle trips across the US. Coast to coast on one of them and another down Baja.
- aj7 2y agoSerendipity on cruises, eh? The axiom of cruises is: You will never see these people again.
- DiggyJohnson 2y agoDo people go cruising to make long term friends?
- tssva 2y agoI have plenty of long term friends, but I have never done any activity with the explicit goal of gainng them. That being said I have made long term friends on cruises.
- giantg2 2y ago"I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group" Convoys work for this. Perhaps even more fun if they're fun cars with a lower car to passenger ratio.
- nullstyle 2y agoConvoys have become shit shows more often than not in my experience, but point taken. So many ways to skin the vacation-cat.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoLove to do the motorcycle road trip some day. But I don't even have 16 friends so that will never be a problem. As the kids left the nest it has become just thew wife and I. We're a duprass.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y agoThat's the beautiful thing, different people enjoy different things, and on vacation, people get to pick and do the thing they enjoy, rather than the thing someone else enjoys. Except with cruise ships, morally righteous people are declaring this specific thing wrong and trying to keep people from being allowed to do this. The Guardian claims that "At full power the Harmony of the Seas’ two 16-cylinder engines would each burn 1,377 US gallons an hour" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/21/the-worlds-largest-cruise-ship-and-its-supersized-pollution-problem https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/21/the-worl..., which would be 5.2 cubic meters per hour, or 125 cubic meters per day, so something between 100 and 125 tons. Other sources I've seen claim "up to 250 tons" (https://www.colorado.edu/mechanical/2016/07/25/how-much-fuel-does-cruise-ship-use https://www.colorado.edu/mechanical/2016/07/25/how-much-fuel...). A ton of diesel-like fuel produces around 2.6 tons of CO2 (the O2 comes from the air). So let's say 750 tons. Split across 5000 passengers, a 7-day cruise would be 750 / 5000 * 7 = roughly one ton of CO2 per passenger per cruise. Myclimate estimates the total footprint of a 7-day cruise, standard double cabin on a >4000 passenger ship, one day in port, as 2.1 t (this presumably also covers food etc. so it's not surprising that it's higher). They also estimate just the flight (one passenger, round trip, economy class) of a trip from New York to Maui as 3 tons.
- eightysixfour 2y agoMost of the people getting on the cruise are also taking round trip flights to and from the port, so tack that on top of the flights.
- 0xdde 2y agoYou are cherry-picking only one of the environmental issues that cruise ships cause. Even that aside, you are also ignoring a large part of the discussion in the first article you cite, which focuses on all of the other, acute, air pollution cruise travel causes in the port cities. Focusing on CO2 is a strawman.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y agoI focused on CO2 because it's often cited and one of the more comparable metrics, and I used those articles only as sources for my estimates. Between the date of the article and today, significant new regulation for maritime fuels came out. But the kind of environmentalists I am talking about aren't suggesting to regulate cruise ship emissions, they demand banning cruise ships, because they're a visible symbol of loosely-defined luxury/"excess", and thus any impact is seen as unjustifiable.