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"Prices from $1,000" but shows the picture of the presedential suite to lure people in. "Oh yeah, $1,000 is a room next to the engine room with no window and a

"Prices from $1,000" but shows the picture of the presedential suite to lure people in. "Oh yeah, $1,000 is a room next to the engine room with no window and a single bed" at which point people feel a bit embarrassed and accept that it is another $10K just to get a window. On the other hand, lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life ebbs away ;-)

ge96 2y ago
Tape an ipad to a wall, loop an ocean scene... Window
- EnigmaFlare 2y ago
  Parallax, sunlight intensity, directionality, heat. It's a pity we don't have affordable (or even any?) artificial windows that even emulate the sun. Just think how much more economically buildings could be made if they had effective fake windows.
  - shreddit 2y ago
    You can do-it-yourself https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO
    - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
      Thanks. I'll watch that. It doesn't seem to have images but maybe you could have the scenery window separately and just look at one thing at a time :P I've considered setting up mirrors in my garden to redirect sunlight into a shaded room but never quite got it off the ground.
    - avidiax 2y ago
      There's also a commercial version: https://www.coelux.com/ https://www.coelux.com/
    - kolinko 2y ago
      You can also buy this from Alibaba - just the real thing, not the LCD flat panels. (the real ones are 10-20cm deep). I got a few two winters ago, and they are amazing for dark and gloomy Polish winters. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Circle-Artificial-Sun-Led-Circular-Skylight_1601124539128.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Circle-Artificial-Sun...
      - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
        That's awesome, but the most powerful one is 9000 lumens from a 1200x600 mm panel, which is 10000 lumen/m^2. I don't think that's good enough for a proper sun effect since sunlight is 100000 lumens/m^2 and even outdoors in the shade is brighter than these devices. But it's certainly a step in the right direction and no doubt much better than natural light for you.
  - janfoeh 2y ago
    There is an Italian company called Coelux which builds something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw
    - ayewo 2y ago
      That’s pretty neat, thanks for linking to Coelux’s video. Apparently the video was recorded in 2014 so they’ve been around for at least 10years now.
  - sva_ 2y ago
    One step away from a real human factory farm
  - lowkey 2y ago
    You know, I co-founded a smart LED lighting company well over a decade ago and we considered this market. It seems like the potential applications might make this viable now. Cruise ships are a tiny market when compared to all the dead commercial office space in downtown cores that people wish to convert to residential but can’t because of lack of sunlight and similar reasons.
    - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
      That's cool. How did/would the technology have worked?
      - lowkey 2y ago
        There are some other implemenations listed on this page. The trick is to make sure the light rays are parallel as if coming from an infinite distance like the sun. To create the blue sky effect the easiest way is to pass the light through soapy water like in this video posted above https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO
- zabzonk 2y ago
  actually, some interior cabins really do this - big lcd screen showing camera views from outside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgX8mKjmxU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgX8mKjmxU
  - ge96 2y ago
    I want to do this one day inside an apartment using one of those thin flat TV's, put two in a corner and make a city skyline view
    - dylan604 2y ago
      The TV would give you the ability to change the view. Have a couple of different 24 hour video loops so that it shows sunrise/sunset, clouds, storms (only if you had a good subwoofer to rumble with thunder) and then sync it to your clock. However, I would be really impressed with a lenticular screen so that you get the 6-DoF type of view that would change the paralax view as you moved around the room a bit.
djtango 2y ago
I don't much like cruises but I do really enjoy being out at sea and would be more than happy to "raw dog" (in gen z parlance) some trips out at sea.
- jajko 2y ago
  There are many ways to enjoy seas, cruise ships are by far the worst. As per people who worked on those, they are mostly for people who simply don't know how to enjoy life well but have money, are quiet alcoholics, and/or suffer massive loneliness. You can do amazing traveling experiences for less, you are in control of your own life and what happens next and you will feel like spending much more time when discovering world, culture, history and people compared to same white box with same things at same places. But its the same mentality of going to some properly amazing exotic place and then spending 2 weeks in luxury bubble of some 5 star resort. I don't complain - those folks leave interesting places and experiences for rest of us, but respecting that I cannot.
  - scarab92 2y ago
    There’s times I want to explore, and there’s times I just want to do nothing. Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while.
    - nixass 2y ago
      > Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while. Weird way to spend not-insignificant money on but to each their own
      - scarab92 2y ago
        I find I get somewhat anxious being at home and not doing anything, whereas it’s just psychologically easier in the middle of the ocean. I’m happy to pay the cost to be in an environment that I can actually relax in.
        2y ago
heresie-dabord 2y ago
> lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life ebbs away ;-) It's a sort of floating Las Vegas, with casinos and other passivities such as (from TFA): "buffet food, all-inclusive child supervision, shuffleboard, plentiful liquor and winking entertainers" Of course the scale of the operation could produce significant unhappiness if the cattle are forced to fight for food and live in their own filth, as in the case of the notorious Poop Cruise: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stranded-cruise-ship-on-which-sewage-ran-down-the-walls-and-savages-fought-over-food-finally-docks-amid-jubilant-scenes-8496330.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stranded-c...
joshstrange 2y ago
Ehh your life “ebbs away” no matter what you are doing. I’m neutral on cruises. I went on one with my family and had a good time but I don’t seek them out. There is something to be said for the “almost everything is included” nature of cruises. Not having to think about food and just relaxing or doing one of the many activities available is attractive. The various excursions or stops can be fun as well. It’s not for everyone but I see the appeal. Also, it doesn’t cost $10K to get a window. EDIT: I just price checked a cruise of the Caribbean on the Princess line (didn’t spend time checking the specific ship) but for a 7-day cruise for 2 people, a mini-suite (balcony and more room), and the premier package (unlimited drinks and other stuff) it came out to $3,800 total. If you drop the drinks it comes down about $1K. Now you have to get to the port and back home so factor in flights but that’s not absurd pricing IMHO. And you can get a balcony-only for cheaper as well.
- criddell 2y ago
  The “ebbs away” comment made me think of the perma-cruisers. Elderly people who cruise non-stop for years at a time. It can be less expensive and more interesting than a nice retirement home.
- bluGill 2y ago
  You could get under a 1000 if you go the inside cabin, you are only in your room to sleep anyway.
  - cactusplant7374 2y ago
    More than sleep for me. I need to decompress.
    - bluGill 2y ago
      Ocean view cabins on the bottom floor are often cheap. experienced crusiers know those are the best locations and the rich wish their sueit was there as the window near the water is a better view and worth more than a balcony - but there are so few that cruise lines can't afford to make suiets there vs the larger number who think higher is better.
chengiz 2y ago
A lot of responses from people who have never taken a cruise, how typical. There is a lot of nickel and diming but floor plans and room views tend to be shown when you're buying. Even the interior windowless rooms are extremely well designed for space. The lack of windows does not really matter (for budget conscious travellers) since you're going to be only in there for sleeping and using the bathroom. Of course, no room is close to an engine.
- doe_eyes 2y ago
  Yeah, I went on a cruise once, and the whole idea is that you don't spend time in your cabin. It's not a train. You have cinema screens, live performances, restaurants and bars, libraries, quiet lounge areas, pools, and so on. Plus, there are sightseeing opportunities on land, and the neat thing about cruise ships is that they dock where the action is. Airports are always on the outskirts; ports tend to be situated pretty centrally in most cities. Honestly, it's probably the nicest way to travel to faraway places, short of a private jet. It's not for everyone, but it's not a dystopian experience. The ships carry insane numbers of passengers, but they are also pretty darn spacious.
  - mnahkies 2y ago
    I've only been on one cruise, but I'd semi agree. Personally I thoroughly enjoyed the cruise, but the time on shore was too short for my liking, I prefer to stay the same place for several days and get immersed - I think of it as a better all inclusive resort (and sometimes that's what you need)
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Generally speaking, I wouldn't do a cruise except somewhere like the Galapagos where it's pretty much the option. But I did do an Atlantic crossing after semi-retiring. I paid for a minor cabin upgrade and it wasn't really worth it. I'm not sitting on a balcony crossing the Atlantic anyway and I'm not spending time in my cabin.
      - 2y ago
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
> On the other hand, lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life ebbs away ;-) This is incredibly mean spirited. Besides perhaps the cruise ship emissions issue, how do you distinguish leisure time on a cruise from leisure time setting in front of the TV at home, or road tripping, or a ski trip, etc.? I'm aghast at the tone of this comment.

ge96 2y ago

Tape an ipad to a wall, loop an ocean scene... Window

EnigmaFlare 2y ago
Parallax, sunlight intensity, directionality, heat. It's a pity we don't have affordable (or even any?) artificial windows that even emulate the sun. Just think how much more economically buildings could be made if they had effective fake windows.
- shreddit 2y ago
  You can do-it-yourself https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO
  - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
    Thanks. I'll watch that. It doesn't seem to have images but maybe you could have the scenery window separately and just look at one thing at a time :P I've considered setting up mirrors in my garden to redirect sunlight into a shaded room but never quite got it off the ground.
  - avidiax 2y ago
    There's also a commercial version: https://www.coelux.com/ https://www.coelux.com/
  - kolinko 2y ago
    You can also buy this from Alibaba - just the real thing, not the LCD flat panels. (the real ones are 10-20cm deep). I got a few two winters ago, and they are amazing for dark and gloomy Polish winters. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Circle-Artificial-Sun-Led-Circular-Skylight_1601124539128.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Circle-Artificial-Sun...
    - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
      That's awesome, but the most powerful one is 9000 lumens from a 1200x600 mm panel, which is 10000 lumen/m^2. I don't think that's good enough for a proper sun effect since sunlight is 100000 lumens/m^2 and even outdoors in the shade is brighter than these devices. But it's certainly a step in the right direction and no doubt much better than natural light for you.
- janfoeh 2y ago
  There is an Italian company called Coelux which builds something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4TJ4-kkDw
  - ayewo 2y ago
    That’s pretty neat, thanks for linking to Coelux’s video. Apparently the video was recorded in 2014 so they’ve been around for at least 10years now.
- sva_ 2y ago
  One step away from a real human factory farm
- lowkey 2y ago
  You know, I co-founded a smart LED lighting company well over a decade ago and we considered this market. It seems like the potential applications might make this viable now. Cruise ships are a tiny market when compared to all the dead commercial office space in downtown cores that people wish to convert to residential but can’t because of lack of sunlight and similar reasons.
  - EnigmaFlare 2y ago
    That's cool. How did/would the technology have worked?
    - lowkey 2y ago
      There are some other implemenations listed on this page. The trick is to make sure the light rays are parallel as if coming from an infinite distance like the sun. To create the blue sky effect the easiest way is to pass the light through soapy water like in this video posted above https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO https://youtu.be/6bqBsHSwPgw?si=fWO5-pYa6kPYKLZO
zabzonk 2y ago
actually, some interior cabins really do this - big lcd screen showing camera views from outside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgX8mKjmxU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgX8mKjmxU
- ge96 2y ago
  I want to do this one day inside an apartment using one of those thin flat TV's, put two in a corner and make a city skyline view
  - dylan604 2y ago
    The TV would give you the ability to change the view. Have a couple of different 24 hour video loops so that it shows sunrise/sunset, clouds, storms (only if you had a good subwoofer to rumble with thunder) and then sync it to your clock. However, I would be really impressed with a lenticular screen so that you get the 6-DoF type of view that would change the paralax view as you moved around the room a bit.

djtango 2y ago

I don't much like cruises but I do really enjoy being out at sea and would be more than happy to "raw dog" (in gen z parlance) some trips out at sea.

jajko 2y ago
There are many ways to enjoy seas, cruise ships are by far the worst. As per people who worked on those, they are mostly for people who simply don't know how to enjoy life well but have money, are quiet alcoholics, and/or suffer massive loneliness. You can do amazing traveling experiences for less, you are in control of your own life and what happens next and you will feel like spending much more time when discovering world, culture, history and people compared to same white box with same things at same places. But its the same mentality of going to some properly amazing exotic place and then spending 2 weeks in luxury bubble of some 5 star resort. I don't complain - those folks leave interesting places and experiences for rest of us, but respecting that I cannot.
- scarab92 2y ago
  There’s times I want to explore, and there’s times I just want to do nothing. Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while.
  - nixass 2y ago
    > Cruises are good for when I want to do nothing for a while. Weird way to spend not-insignificant money on but to each their own
    - scarab92 2y ago
      I find I get somewhat anxious being at home and not doing anything, whereas it’s just psychologically easier in the middle of the ocean. I’m happy to pay the cost to be in an environment that I can actually relax in.
      - 2y ago

heresie-dabord 2y ago

> lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life ebbs away ;-) It's a sort of floating Las Vegas, with casinos and other passivities such as (from TFA): "buffet food, all-inclusive child supervision, shuffleboard, plentiful liquor and winking entertainers" Of course the scale of the operation could produce significant unhappiness if the cattle are forced to fight for food and live in their own filth, as in the case of the notorious Poop Cruise: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stranded-cruise-ship-on-which-sewage-ran-down-the-walls-and-savages-fought-over-food-finally-docks-amid-jubilant-scenes-8496330.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stranded-c...

joshstrange 2y ago

Ehh your life “ebbs away” no matter what you are doing. I’m neutral on cruises. I went on one with my family and had a good time but I don’t seek them out. There is something to be said for the “almost everything is included” nature of cruises. Not having to think about food and just relaxing or doing one of the many activities available is attractive. The various excursions or stops can be fun as well. It’s not for everyone but I see the appeal. Also, it doesn’t cost $10K to get a window. EDIT: I just price checked a cruise of the Caribbean on the Princess line (didn’t spend time checking the specific ship) but for a 7-day cruise for 2 people, a mini-suite (balcony and more room), and the premier package (unlimited drinks and other stuff) it came out to $3,800 total. If you drop the drinks it comes down about $1K. Now you have to get to the port and back home so factor in flights but that’s not absurd pricing IMHO. And you can get a balcony-only for cheaper as well.

criddell 2y ago
The “ebbs away” comment made me think of the perma-cruisers. Elderly people who cruise non-stop for years at a time. It can be less expensive and more interesting than a nice retirement home.
bluGill 2y ago
You could get under a 1000 if you go the inside cabin, you are only in your room to sleep anyway.
- cactusplant7374 2y ago
  More than sleep for me. I need to decompress.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    Ocean view cabins on the bottom floor are often cheap. experienced crusiers know those are the best locations and the rich wish their sueit was there as the window near the water is a better view and worth more than a balcony - but there are so few that cruise lines can't afford to make suiets there vs the larger number who think higher is better.

chengiz 2y ago

A lot of responses from people who have never taken a cruise, how typical. There is a lot of nickel and diming but floor plans and room views tend to be shown when you're buying. Even the interior windowless rooms are extremely well designed for space. The lack of windows does not really matter (for budget conscious travellers) since you're going to be only in there for sleeping and using the bathroom. Of course, no room is close to an engine.

doe_eyes 2y ago
Yeah, I went on a cruise once, and the whole idea is that you don't spend time in your cabin. It's not a train. You have cinema screens, live performances, restaurants and bars, libraries, quiet lounge areas, pools, and so on. Plus, there are sightseeing opportunities on land, and the neat thing about cruise ships is that they dock where the action is. Airports are always on the outskirts; ports tend to be situated pretty centrally in most cities. Honestly, it's probably the nicest way to travel to faraway places, short of a private jet. It's not for everyone, but it's not a dystopian experience. The ships carry insane numbers of passengers, but they are also pretty darn spacious.
- mnahkies 2y ago
  I've only been on one cruise, but I'd semi agree. Personally I thoroughly enjoyed the cruise, but the time on shore was too short for my liking, I prefer to stay the same place for several days and get immersed - I think of it as a better all inclusive resort (and sometimes that's what you need)
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Generally speaking, I wouldn't do a cruise except somewhere like the Galapagos where it's pretty much the option. But I did do an Atlantic crossing after semi-retiring. I paid for a minor cabin upgrade and it wasn't really worth it. I'm not sitting on a balcony crossing the Atlantic anyway and I'm not spending time in my cabin.
    - 2y ago

DiggyJohnson 2y ago

> On the other hand, lots of people are returning customers so maybe there is something to be said for moving slowly across the ocean as your life ebbs away ;-) This is incredibly mean spirited. Besides perhaps the cruise ship emissions issue, how do you distinguish leisure time on a cruise from leisure time setting in front of the TV at home, or road tripping, or a ski trip, etc.? I'm aghast at the tone of this comment.