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I’ve been saying this since the beginning. We know it had a leak; workers from the lab got sick with COVID symptoms a month before the initial cluster of infec

I’ve been saying this since the beginning. We know it had a leak; workers from the lab got sick with COVID symptoms a month before the initial cluster of infections. At least some of the people from the initial cluster had no link with the Wuhan market. COVID has only been found in human samples from the market, not in animal samples. Conveniently all databases and files regarding the research got deleted and lost. Instead of it originating from the lab 1km away from the wuhan market, researching exactly this particular form of sars, we have to believe a bat from 3500 miles away ended up on the market, infected an unknown intermediate species, without any trace of animal being infected, immediately jumped to people and became increasingly more infectious. I fail to see how this could ever be more likely.

mu53 2y ago
2/4 US Intelligence agencies agree that is was most likely a lab leak[1]. Unfortunately, it is impossible politically to police this area of research. All that would happen is it would happen in more secretive government labs. The only reason we know about it happening is because the research was published. Its not like this problem is exclusive to China. The anthrax in the ~2001 anthrax attacks was linked to a strain from US Biological weapons research[2]. Different circumstances, but lack of regulation and moderation in this industry is clearly a problem that has potentially world-destroying possibilities. Covid left a huge mark and had less than a 1% fatality rate. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66005240 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66005240 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
- NullPrefix 2y ago
  >Unfortunately, it is impossible politically to police this area of research Just because it's hard to police something, doesn't mean we legalize it. Murder is hard to solve, in some cases. Lab leaks cause way more harm than several murders. Electric chair for mass murder is a proper sentence
  - mu53 2y ago
    Theoretically feasible, but practically impossible. Please go to the CIA/DoD/FBI/(whatever the relevant chinese agencies are called) and tell them how to do their jobs so it will "never again" happen.
  - 39896880 2y ago
    >Electric chair for mass murder is a proper sentence Only (at most) 28% of the countries in the world agree with this. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country?wprov=sfti1# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country?...
    - NullPrefix 2y ago
      Do you think Putin shouldn't get the chair either?
  - PolygonSheep 2y ago
    I think the political impossibility was that somehow "lab leak" got coded as right/Trumpist. I seem to remember a lot of scientists signing a big open letter that it definitely wasn't a lab leak and to say otherwise was a potentially racist conspiracy theory. Coming back from that is, in my opinion, the "politically" impossible bit.
    - NullPrefix 2y ago
      A scientist who picks politics over science is no scientist. Simple as

mu53 2y ago

2/4 US Intelligence agencies agree that is was most likely a lab leak[1]. Unfortunately, it is impossible politically to police this area of research. All that would happen is it would happen in more secretive government labs. The only reason we know about it happening is because the research was published. Its not like this problem is exclusive to China. The anthrax in the ~2001 anthrax attacks was linked to a strain from US Biological weapons research[2]. Different circumstances, but lack of regulation and moderation in this industry is clearly a problem that has potentially world-destroying possibilities. Covid left a huge mark and had less than a 1% fatality rate. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66005240 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66005240 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

NullPrefix 2y ago
>Unfortunately, it is impossible politically to police this area of research Just because it's hard to police something, doesn't mean we legalize it. Murder is hard to solve, in some cases. Lab leaks cause way more harm than several murders. Electric chair for mass murder is a proper sentence
- mu53 2y ago
  Theoretically feasible, but practically impossible. Please go to the CIA/DoD/FBI/(whatever the relevant chinese agencies are called) and tell them how to do their jobs so it will "never again" happen.
- 39896880 2y ago
  >Electric chair for mass murder is a proper sentence Only (at most) 28% of the countries in the world agree with this. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country?wprov=sfti1# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country?...
  - NullPrefix 2y ago
    Do you think Putin shouldn't get the chair either?
- PolygonSheep 2y ago
  I think the political impossibility was that somehow "lab leak" got coded as right/Trumpist. I seem to remember a lot of scientists signing a big open letter that it definitely wasn't a lab leak and to say otherwise was a potentially racist conspiracy theory. Coming back from that is, in my opinion, the "politically" impossible bit.
  - NullPrefix 2y ago
    A scientist who picks politics over science is no scientist. Simple as