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How would you propose making claiming possible without the risk of hijacking/misrepresentation?

samstave 2y ago
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w-m 2y ago
The data on which authors are part of which arxiv papers is already in the arXiv database, and in Google Scholar, and in other libraries. I appreciate that it's not an easy task to get that as a third party. But the burden should be on the operators of alphaxiv to figure out a solution for this platform to take off, not for me as a user?
- phreeza 2y ago
  Yea I agree it shouldn't be on you as a customer, was more asking out of curiosity. I don't think Google scholar has this fully solved either, I've seen many misattributed papers there.
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supriyo-biswas 2y ago
The only way I see this working is for paper authors to include their public keys in the paper; preferably as metadata and have them produce a signed message using their private key which allows them to claim the paper. While the grandparent is understandably disappointed with the current implementation, relying on emails was always doomed from the start.
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- michaelmior 2y ago
  Given that the paper would have be changed regardless, including the full email address is a relatively easy solution. ORCID is probably easier than requiring public keys and a lot of journals already require them.
  - westurner 2y ago
    W3D Decentralized Identifiers are designed for this use case.
    - westurner 2y ago
      Decentralized identifier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_identifier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_identifier W3C TR did-core: "DID Decentralized Identifiers 1.0": https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/ https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/ W3C TR did-use-cases: "Use Cases and Requirements for Decentralized Identifiers" https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/ https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/ "Email addresses are not good 'permanent' identifiers for accounts" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823817#38831952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823817#38831952
    - michaelmior 2y ago
      I'm sure that would work, but most researchers already have an ORCID are required to provide it other places anyway.
      - westurner 2y ago
        In comparison to DIDs, ORCIDs aren't sk/pk pairs that can be used to cryptographically sign. A person can generate (and optionally register) additional DIDs if they please. A person can request additional ORCIDs if they please
- lucioperca 2y ago
  Probably it would be better to merge the project with Arxiv and tie it to the accounts there.
riedel 2y ago
The claiming was 'solved' and ORCID, which both basically do no checking at all. It's just a yes/no clicking for fuzzy matched author name lists. So I guess it is enough until there is a dispute. If you are important enough to be the target of trolls than you are in a league beyond most research platforms.
abhayhegde 2y ago
Perhaps by linking to their actual arxiv id?
xyst 2y ago
There should be an equivalent of S/MIME for researchers if e-mail is not accessible.

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w-m 2y ago

The data on which authors are part of which arxiv papers is already in the arXiv database, and in Google Scholar, and in other libraries. I appreciate that it's not an easy task to get that as a third party. But the burden should be on the operators of alphaxiv to figure out a solution for this platform to take off, not for me as a user?

phreeza 2y ago
Yea I agree it shouldn't be on you as a customer, was more asking out of curiosity. I don't think Google scholar has this fully solved either, I've seen many misattributed papers there.
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supriyo-biswas 2y ago

The only way I see this working is for paper authors to include their public keys in the paper; preferably as metadata and have them produce a signed message using their private key which allows them to claim the paper. While the grandparent is understandably disappointed with the current implementation, relying on emails was always doomed from the start.

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michaelmior 2y ago
Given that the paper would have be changed regardless, including the full email address is a relatively easy solution. ORCID is probably easier than requiring public keys and a lot of journals already require them.
- westurner 2y ago
  W3D Decentralized Identifiers are designed for this use case.
  - westurner 2y ago
    Decentralized identifier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_identifier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_identifier W3C TR did-core: "DID Decentralized Identifiers 1.0": https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/ https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/ W3C TR did-use-cases: "Use Cases and Requirements for Decentralized Identifiers" https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/ https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/ "Email addresses are not good 'permanent' identifiers for accounts" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823817#38831952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823817#38831952
  - michaelmior 2y ago
    I'm sure that would work, but most researchers already have an ORCID are required to provide it other places anyway.
    - westurner 2y ago
      In comparison to DIDs, ORCIDs aren't sk/pk pairs that can be used to cryptographically sign. A person can generate (and optionally register) additional DIDs if they please. A person can request additional ORCIDs if they please
lucioperca 2y ago
Probably it would be better to merge the project with Arxiv and tie it to the accounts there.

riedel 2y ago

The claiming was 'solved' and ORCID, which both basically do no checking at all. It's just a yes/no clicking for fuzzy matched author name lists. So I guess it is enough until there is a dispute. If you are important enough to be the target of trolls than you are in a league beyond most research platforms.

abhayhegde 2y ago

Perhaps by linking to their actual arxiv id?

xyst 2y ago

There should be an equivalent of S/MIME for researchers if e-mail is not accessible.