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The point being: there's already a right to try unapproved therapies, even if it sometimes requires extra travel. People who aren't wealthy manage to try them.
by AlbertCory 2y ago
The point being: there's already a right to try unapproved therapies, even if it sometimes requires extra travel. People who aren't wealthy manage to try them.
As for "anecdotes" -- do you have any actual data? Neither do I.
- TaylorAlexander 2y agoI can't quite discern the subtext here but I will say that for many people international travel is not an appropriate solution for access to health care. People who are elderly, very sick, or without a passport, travel could be infeasible. And beyond the logistical challenges, I think it should be fair to say axiomatically that international travel is not an adequate solution to healthcare access.
- AlbertCory 2y ago"right to try" seems to be enshrined in some US laws. Were you not aware of that? https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/right-try https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and... as for "travel could be infeasible" : I'd suggest you call up some clinic in Mexico and pretend to be terminal and unable to travel. See if they come up with some solution for you.
- smsm42 2y agoThat makes as much sense as saying "marijuana is already legalized in the US - you just need to buy a plane ticket to Amsterdam". The whole point of having your rights in certain jurisdiction is that you didn't have to flee that jurisdiction to exercise the rights.
- AlbertCory 2y agoMarijuana IS pretty much legalized in the US. As for "access to healthcare" : have you heard of Right To Try? Google it.
- smsm42 2y agoNo need to be condescending. Yes, I know about it - I know it only appeared recently in 2018 too. And also you have to be literally dying to use it. If you're not dying yet - but may be severely disabled, in tremendous pain, or otherwise suffering greatly, but if you're not nearly dead yet - no right to try for you. > Marijuana IS pretty much legalized in the US. "Pretty much" does a lot of work here given it's still Schedule I on federal level.
- AlbertCory 2y agoSigh. There's always something you can be unhappy about. You must spend all your time on it.
- smsm42 2y agoThat's a strange reply. You said something incorrect, I corrected it, but now you imply that knowing the correct facts is some kind of personal flaw?
- AlbertCory 2y agothe personal flaw is not getting irony, and feeling you have to respond with Earnestness to it.
- xp84 2y agoFrom a random third person perspective here: if your “Google it” comment was intended as irony, it was not at all successful at that.
- AlbertCory 2y agoif you're actually a random third person, you need to find a hobby and stop interjecting yourself into other people's conversations.
- Suppafly 2y agoThe trick, and a lot of people are bad at this, is knowing/understanding whether the treatment is likely to help, but is banned/unapproved because it's too new, has bad side effects, or doesn't actually work. Mexico isn't likely to have better cancer treatments than the US, but something like stem cell treatments are just not approved yet because of regulatory hurdles, not because they aren't liable to not help.
- AlbertCory 2y agoThat's it exactly.
- fragmede 2y agoIf your point is that people who aren't wealthy have a right to try unapproved therapies, why throw in the quip about Mexican healthcare killing people, and in such a way as to make it sound like that's the expected outcome? You could have just left off the parenthetical and left it at that.
- AlbertCory 2y agoIt's one data point, so our prior is "death." Unless you have other data points?