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It’s ridiculous. A Florida teacher was apparently fired because she graded missing assignments with a zero. Apparently the lowest score, even for missing an a

by mc32 2y ago

It’s ridiculous. A Florida teacher was apparently fired because she graded missing assignments with a zero. Apparently the lowest score, even for missing an assignment, not completing a test, etc is 50%. How can nothing equal half of something? It’s goddam nuts. Even elite institutions don’t calibrate the average score to a C grade. It all starts with idiotic participation trophies and gets worse.

juanani1 2y ago
iono, i got a 0 because i didnt go back and correct a 1 line answer out of 84, it was marked incomplete therefore a 0 out of 100. some teachers are just too far up their programming to give a damn. also woth the past cold war programming and the recent cold war programming, anyone trying to make it in the US college system has to deal with anti-intellectual programming. i didnt mind until some actual instructors had to show their feathers. imagine being a hs freshman and a teacher had automatic beef with you cus of your name. thats why the US is a failing state. you can throw all the fresh printed money at it, shits gna be shit plastered everywhere. the media can only do so much. gl
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  No offense, based off your grammar in this comment something tells me you likely had other issues in your submission than just "missing one line" that netted you the zero. I also fail to see how teachers grading assignments unfairly makes the US a 'failed state'. This isn't a problem unique to the United States by a long shot.
dangus 2y ago
I actually think there’s a really good rationale for that. If F is a 50%, why is the lowest score a 0? What is the significance of all the numbers between 0 and 50% if all of those numbers mean the same thing? If I have 10 assignments and I don’t show up for 5 of them and got a perfect score on the other 5, in a system where my score is 0% for the 5 missed assignments I average out to getting the exact same final grade (F) as someone who didn’t show up for a single test. That doesn’t really make much sense, either. Put another way, every other letter grade has somewhere close to 10 points in the grade range but then F has 50 points in its grade range.
- mc32 2y ago
  F isn’t 50%, it’s anything below 60% (it could be anything below any cutoff percentage that can be above 50%). As in the minimum passing grade is above whatever the minimum cutoff is set to. Most certifications have a 70% minimum cutoff. A few require 80% or higher.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    When I was a kid we had E grades for 50-60. They dropped it when they realized kids were telling their parents it stood for "Excellent".
  - dangus 2y ago
    I was just using the number as an easy example.
eesmith 2y ago
https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2023/07/no-zero-grading-and-mystery-of.html https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2023/07/no-zero-grading-... > There are plenty of lessons to be learned from this story. One is the dangers of teaching in a state with few job protections and deliberately weakened unions for teachers. Another is to beware of these sorts of viral stories, because maybe there were other reasons she was let go and maybe the school doesn't actually have a no zeros policy. > But even though the story is five years old, it still has legs because no-zero grading is reliably click-generating and button-pushing. For some folks it just rings the fuzzy-headed liberal bell. Your uncle who bitches about participation trophies also hates no-zero grading. ... > I know most of the arguments from the years we debated a no-zero policy in my district. We had switched from a letter grade system for nine weeks grades to a 100-point scale, and shortly after, the district created a policy that no student could receive a grade lower than 50% in the first grading periods of a course. > There was nothing nice or progressive about it. It was practical matter of teacher preservation. ... > Under a letter grade system, with averaging math based on a four point scale (A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F=0), an F was not a grading catastrophe. But with a 100 point scale...well, imagine a worst case scenario. With 70% the lowest passing score (as it was for many years), a student needs to hit 280 total for the year. If the student pulls a 0 in the first nine weeks, that student needs to hit the low nineties in the remaining three quarters. > Again, the no-zero policy was not about the student's tender feelings or vulnerable ego. It was about the problem of spending 135 days with a teenager in your classroom who knows he cannot possibly pass your class, that his failure is already written in stone, and so has A) no reason to try and B) nothing to lose. A no-zero policy is not doing the student a favor; it is giving the classroom teacher one more chance to hold onto one more piece of leverage for just a little bit longer.
- Jensson 2y ago
  Then why have 0 to 100 if the lowest is 50? That just artificially inflates the perceived result, someone getting 50% makes me assume he passed 50% of the things. Sounds like the system is just stupid overall.
  - Wowfunhappy 2y ago

by mc32 2y ago

juanani1 2y ago

iono, i got a 0 because i didnt go back and correct a 1 line answer out of 84, it was marked incomplete therefore a 0 out of 100. some teachers are just too far up their programming to give a damn. also woth the past cold war programming and the recent cold war programming, anyone trying to make it in the US college system has to deal with anti-intellectual programming. i didnt mind until some actual instructors had to show their feathers. imagine being a hs freshman and a teacher had automatic beef with you cus of your name. thats why the US is a failing state. you can throw all the fresh printed money at it, shits gna be shit plastered everywhere. the media can only do so much. gl

DaSHacka 2y ago
No offense, based off your grammar in this comment something tells me you likely had other issues in your submission than just "missing one line" that netted you the zero. I also fail to see how teachers grading assignments unfairly makes the US a 'failed state'. This isn't a problem unique to the United States by a long shot.

dangus 2y ago

I actually think there’s a really good rationale for that. If F is a 50%, why is the lowest score a 0? What is the significance of all the numbers between 0 and 50% if all of those numbers mean the same thing? If I have 10 assignments and I don’t show up for 5 of them and got a perfect score on the other 5, in a system where my score is 0% for the 5 missed assignments I average out to getting the exact same final grade (F) as someone who didn’t show up for a single test. That doesn’t really make much sense, either. Put another way, every other letter grade has somewhere close to 10 points in the grade range but then F has 50 points in its grade range.

mc32 2y ago
F isn’t 50%, it’s anything below 60% (it could be anything below any cutoff percentage that can be above 50%). As in the minimum passing grade is above whatever the minimum cutoff is set to. Most certifications have a 70% minimum cutoff. A few require 80% or higher.
- Izkata 2y ago
  When I was a kid we had E grades for 50-60. They dropped it when they realized kids were telling their parents it stood for "Excellent".
- dangus 2y ago
  I was just using the number as an easy example.

eesmith 2y ago

https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2023/07/no-zero-grading-and-mystery-of.html https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2023/07/no-zero-grading-... > There are plenty of lessons to be learned from this story. One is the dangers of teaching in a state with few job protections and deliberately weakened unions for teachers. Another is to beware of these sorts of viral stories, because maybe there were other reasons she was let go and maybe the school doesn't actually have a no zeros policy. > But even though the story is five years old, it still has legs because no-zero grading is reliably click-generating and button-pushing. For some folks it just rings the fuzzy-headed liberal bell. Your uncle who bitches about participation trophies also hates no-zero grading. ... > I know most of the arguments from the years we debated a no-zero policy in my district. We had switched from a letter grade system for nine weeks grades to a 100-point scale, and shortly after, the district created a policy that no student could receive a grade lower than 50% in the first grading periods of a course. > There was nothing nice or progressive about it. It was practical matter of teacher preservation. ... > Under a letter grade system, with averaging math based on a four point scale (A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F=0), an F was not a grading catastrophe. But with a 100 point scale...well, imagine a worst case scenario. With 70% the lowest passing score (as it was for many years), a student needs to hit 280 total for the year. If the student pulls a 0 in the first nine weeks, that student needs to hit the low nineties in the remaining three quarters. > Again, the no-zero policy was not about the student's tender feelings or vulnerable ego. It was about the problem of spending 135 days with a teenager in your classroom who knows he cannot possibly pass your class, that his failure is already written in stone, and so has A) no reason to try and B) nothing to lose. A no-zero policy is not doing the student a favor; it is giving the classroom teacher one more chance to hold onto one more piece of leverage for just a little bit longer.

Jensson 2y ago
Then why have 0 to 100 if the lowest is 50? That just artificially inflates the perceived result, someone getting 50% makes me assume he passed 50% of the things. Sounds like the system is just stupid overall.
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago