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It seems like we are arguing for the same outcome. I want to be able to control things within my control. Based on what your wrote, it seems you would support t

It seems like we are arguing for the same outcome. I want to be able to control things within my control. Based on what your wrote, it seems you would support that?

Brian_K_White 2y ago
The question has no meaning. "control things within your control" is like a truism, grammatically and logically valid yet says nothing. The point was that it's pointless to even think in terms of "apps and devices going around my choke point" because there never was a choke point in the first place. If you want to prevent an app or device on your network from accessing an IP, you must 1: Ensure the app or device has no wifi or cell or any other possible physical connection of it's own that could allow it to reach the internet without going through your router. 2: Block the ip, by ip, in your router, and also any other ip that could serve as a proxy or relay. It is impossible to know what all those IPs are, so what is possible instead is whitelisting instead of blacklisting. You could do that, but was it useful or interesting to even say? Didn't you and everyone else already know all that?
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  << It is impossible to know what all those IPs are, so what is possible instead is whitelisting instead of blacklisting. << The point was that it's pointless to even think in terms of "apps and devices going around my choke point" because there never was a choke point in the first place. I am not sure why I detect snark. Either it is possible or it is not possible. You argue that we can only assume that things are not communicating with outside world is if there is no network to begin with, which is not completely unreasonable position to take knowing what we know -- cat and mouse gaming being what it is. But even that is slowly becoming less of an option. << You could do that, but was it useful or interesting to even say? Are you suggesting that this conversation is pointless? I don't see it that way. edit: after all, I am participating in this exchange.

It seems like we are arguing for the same outcome. I want to be able to control things within my control. Based on what your wrote, it seems you would support that?

Brian_K_White 2y ago

The question has no meaning. "control things within your control" is like a truism, grammatically and logically valid yet says nothing. The point was that it's pointless to even think in terms of "apps and devices going around my choke point" because there never was a choke point in the first place. If you want to prevent an app or device on your network from accessing an IP, you must 1: Ensure the app or device has no wifi or cell or any other possible physical connection of it's own that could allow it to reach the internet without going through your router. 2: Block the ip, by ip, in your router, and also any other ip that could serve as a proxy or relay. It is impossible to know what all those IPs are, so what is possible instead is whitelisting instead of blacklisting. You could do that, but was it useful or interesting to even say? Didn't you and everyone else already know all that?

A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
<< It is impossible to know what all those IPs are, so what is possible instead is whitelisting instead of blacklisting. << The point was that it's pointless to even think in terms of "apps and devices going around my choke point" because there never was a choke point in the first place. I am not sure why I detect snark. Either it is possible or it is not possible. You argue that we can only assume that things are not communicating with outside world is if there is no network to begin with, which is not completely unreasonable position to take knowing what we know -- cat and mouse gaming being what it is. But even that is slowly becoming less of an option. << You could do that, but was it useful or interesting to even say? Are you suggesting that this conversation is pointless? I don't see it that way. edit: after all, I am participating in this exchange.