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You're unaware of data to support the claim that social acceptance of LGBTQ people (particularly children) lowers their suicide rates? Really? This fact is well

by mthoms 2y ago

You're unaware of data to support the claim that social acceptance of LGBTQ people (particularly children) lowers their suicide rates? Really? This fact is well established and also makes perfect sense logically speaking. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953622001666 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362... https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth There's plenty more if you care to just Google it. The rest of your comment is ridiculous because obviously there is more than one contributing factor to suicide. Including (perhaps) latitude. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/

jtbayly 2y ago
I’ve done much more than randomly Google it. I’ve read about it in depth. Encouraging people to be LGBT has resulted in massive increases in number of people claiming to be trans, for example. Assuming they have the “best” case scenario of an affirming home, apparently 14% attempt suicide, according to your third link. Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools? We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.
- piperswe 2y ago
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  - jtbayly 2y ago
    If trans is real the only thing we have to go on is whether people claim they are or not. You deny their claim? That’s what all of the data on the sites linked above is based on: people who claim they are trans. Read the accounts of people working in the clinics about groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment, and it is clear there is a mass psychogenic illness that has been caused by the promotion of trans sexuality.
    - mthoms 2y ago
      >groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment That's not how any of that works. Underage people can't just walk in off the street and "get treatment". That's literally insane. Just how gullible are you? So what's your source? You saw it on Twitter?
      - jtbayly 2y ago
        Here is a first-hand account, written by a queer woman married to a transman, who worked in one such clinic: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
        mthoms 2y ago
        While the issues raised in that piece (and the Times follow up) are absolutely valid, they aren't anywhere near what your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment. Nonsense. So what's the tally at now? Is that the 4th time you've made a misleading comment on this topic, or just the 3rd? I've lost track. Look, if your position is motivated by ideology (and supported only by isolated anecdotes) that's fine. Just don't pretend you're making your decision based on the available facts and expect anyone to take you seriously.
        vilal 2y ago
        It depends on the clinic. Some gatekeep more than others. Here's an example of one young woman who was prescribed testosterone on her first visit to a Planned Parenthood clinic: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name
        jtbayly 2y ago
        “ your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment.” Actually, those were words you put in my mouth. If you read the accounts, you will find friend groups of girls getting treatment, which is what I said. That’s not proof of mass psychogenic illness, but the more I read, the more convinced I am.
- mthoms 2y ago
  It's so typical of people like you to disingenuously make a broad claim about LGBTQ folks and then when questioned, narrow the scope to just trans people because it's (presumably) an easier argument. Let me remind you: *you* replied to the claim "awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters can have a big impact on suicide rates" with this nonsense: >in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data. I have provided data. You just avoided commenting on it entirely and responded with a theoretical, opinionated "question". The reason is obvious to any reader: You're wrong. Otherwise, where is your data!? Anyways... science aside... it's not even like this is a controversial idea. You're actually challenging the idea that people feel better about their lives when they feel supported. Really? What a weird thing to suggest. There's a reason people like you get downvoted (or "censored" as you put it). It's because you don't engage honestly. You aren't driven by science but ideology and no amount of data will change your mind.

by mthoms 2y ago

jtbayly 2y ago

I’ve done much more than randomly Google it. I’ve read about it in depth. Encouraging people to be LGBT has resulted in massive increases in number of people claiming to be trans, for example. Assuming they have the “best” case scenario of an affirming home, apparently 14% attempt suicide, according to your third link. Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools? We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.

piperswe 2y ago
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- jtbayly 2y ago
  If trans is real the only thing we have to go on is whether people claim they are or not. You deny their claim? That’s what all of the data on the sites linked above is based on: people who claim they are trans. Read the accounts of people working in the clinics about groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment, and it is clear there is a mass psychogenic illness that has been caused by the promotion of trans sexuality.
  - mthoms 2y ago
    >groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment That's not how any of that works. Underage people can't just walk in off the street and "get treatment". That's literally insane. Just how gullible are you? So what's your source? You saw it on Twitter?
    - jtbayly 2y ago
      Here is a first-hand account, written by a queer woman married to a transman, who worked in one such clinic: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
      - mthoms 2y ago
        While the issues raised in that piece (and the Times follow up) are absolutely valid, they aren't anywhere near what your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment. Nonsense. So what's the tally at now? Is that the 4th time you've made a misleading comment on this topic, or just the 3rd? I've lost track. Look, if your position is motivated by ideology (and supported only by isolated anecdotes) that's fine. Just don't pretend you're making your decision based on the available facts and expect anyone to take you seriously.
        vilal 2y ago
        It depends on the clinic. Some gatekeep more than others. Here's an example of one young woman who was prescribed testosterone on her first visit to a Planned Parenthood clinic: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name
        jtbayly 2y ago
        “ your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment.” Actually, those were words you put in my mouth. If you read the accounts, you will find friend groups of girls getting treatment, which is what I said. That’s not proof of mass psychogenic illness, but the more I read, the more convinced I am.
mthoms 2y ago
It's so typical of people like you to disingenuously make a broad claim about LGBTQ folks and then when questioned, narrow the scope to just trans people because it's (presumably) an easier argument. Let me remind you: *you* replied to the claim "awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters can have a big impact on suicide rates" with this nonsense: >in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data. I have provided data. You just avoided commenting on it entirely and responded with a theoretical, opinionated "question". The reason is obvious to any reader: You're wrong. Otherwise, where is your data!? Anyways... science aside... it's not even like this is a controversial idea. You're actually challenging the idea that people feel better about their lives when they feel supported. Really? What a weird thing to suggest. There's a reason people like you get downvoted (or "censored" as you put it). It's because you don't engage honestly. You aren't driven by science but ideology and no amount of data will change your mind.