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Ok, so I was interested in https://fourthievesvinegar.org/tooth-seal/ https://fourthievesvinegar.org/tooth-seal/ Was happy that they say it's completely safe bu

Ok, so I was interested in https://fourthievesvinegar.org/tooth-seal/ https://fourthievesvinegar.org/tooth-seal/ Was happy that they say it's completely safe but... there's no linked study that proves it's safe. On what basis is it safe? There's been multiple recent studies linking higher fluoride amount with reduced intelligence in children. How is that different?

basch 2y ago
I don't believe you are supposed to ingest the tooth sealant.
- nicolas_t 2y ago
  Well yes and they do mention you shouldn't leak it but given that it's on your teeth, how much leaches? Given that it degrades over a year
  - literallycancer 2y ago
    The fluoride added to the drinking water in the US exposes you to many more times than using a fluoride tooth paste, so any leeching from this is likely inconsequential. There's also papers linked in the website and it appears that it's an improved version of the silver diamine fluoride treatment, which a quick search reveals is FDA approved.
grayhatter 2y ago
it's different because the risk analysis for individual decisions is completely disparate from the risk analysis of policy decisions. How is it connected? Also I'd be interested in you're citation for the fluoride assertion, the last I remember that was a conspiracy theory and the actual published research was mixed and inconclusive?
- nicolas_t 2y ago
  > it's different because the risk analysis for individual decisions is completely disparate from the risk analysis of policy decisions. That's true, but when doing the risk analysis for individual decisions, it helps to have actual data to make that analysis. The website says it's safe without justification to say why it's safe, how it's similar to known-safe mechanism, etc.. "Trust me bro it's safe" is not exactly confidence inducing. > Also I'd be interested in you're citation for the fluoride assertion, the last I remember that was a conspiracy theory and the actual published research was mixed and inconclusive? There's this recent report. This is for countries where children received fluoride exposure amounts higher than 1.5 mg fluoride/L of drinking water which is higher than what you'd get in the US. https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/assessments/noncancer/... Most of the studies that show lower IQ are in Canada, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, and Mexico where those levels can be reached. Example of studies: - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18695947/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18695947/ - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6923889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6923889/ - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409983/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409983/
michaelbuckbee 2y ago
fwiw - if you click through to the complete instructions PDF they do link to multiple different studies on the topic: https://fourthievesvinegar.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/tooth-seal-instructions.pdf https://fourthievesvinegar.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/to...

basch 2y ago

I don't believe you are supposed to ingest the tooth sealant.

nicolas_t 2y ago
Well yes and they do mention you shouldn't leak it but given that it's on your teeth, how much leaches? Given that it degrades over a year
- literallycancer 2y ago
  The fluoride added to the drinking water in the US exposes you to many more times than using a fluoride tooth paste, so any leeching from this is likely inconsequential. There's also papers linked in the website and it appears that it's an improved version of the silver diamine fluoride treatment, which a quick search reveals is FDA approved.

grayhatter 2y ago

it's different because the risk analysis for individual decisions is completely disparate from the risk analysis of policy decisions. How is it connected? Also I'd be interested in you're citation for the fluoride assertion, the last I remember that was a conspiracy theory and the actual published research was mixed and inconclusive?

nicolas_t 2y ago
> it's different because the risk analysis for individual decisions is completely disparate from the risk analysis of policy decisions. That's true, but when doing the risk analysis for individual decisions, it helps to have actual data to make that analysis. The website says it's safe without justification to say why it's safe, how it's similar to known-safe mechanism, etc.. "Trust me bro it's safe" is not exactly confidence inducing. > Also I'd be interested in you're citation for the fluoride assertion, the last I remember that was a conspiracy theory and the actual published research was mixed and inconclusive? There's this recent report. This is for countries where children received fluoride exposure amounts higher than 1.5 mg fluoride/L of drinking water which is higher than what you'd get in the US. https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/assessments/noncancer/completed/fluoride https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/assessments/noncancer/... Most of the studies that show lower IQ are in Canada, China, India, Iran, Pakistan, and Mexico where those levels can be reached. Example of studies: - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18695947/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18695947/ - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6923889/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6923889/ - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409983/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3409983/

michaelbuckbee 2y ago

fwiw - if you click through to the complete instructions PDF they do link to multiple different studies on the topic: https://fourthievesvinegar.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/tooth-seal-instructions.pdf https://fourthievesvinegar.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/to...