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Awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters can have a big impact on suicide rates.

jtbayly 2y ago
Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide? I know you were implying the opposite, but how many suicides are you going to prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)? These are generalized rates, of course, but in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data.
- mthoms 2y ago
  You're unaware of data to support the claim that social acceptance of LGBTQ people (particularly children) lowers their suicide rates? Really? This fact is well established and also makes perfect sense logically speaking. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953622001666 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362... https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth There's plenty more if you care to just Google it. The rest of your comment is ridiculous because obviously there is more than one contributing factor to suicide. Including (perhaps) latitude. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/
  - jtbayly 2y ago
    I’ve done much more than randomly Google it. I’ve read about it in depth. Encouraging people to be LGBT has resulted in massive increases in number of people claiming to be trans, for example. Assuming they have the “best” case scenario of an affirming home, apparently 14% attempt suicide, according to your third link. Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools? We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.
    - piperswe 2y ago
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      - jtbayly 2y ago
        If trans is real the only thing we have to go on is whether people claim they are or not. You deny their claim? That’s what all of the data on the sites linked above is based on: people who claim they are trans. Read the accounts of people working in the clinics about groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment, and it is clear there is a mass psychogenic illness that has been caused by the promotion of trans sexuality.
        mthoms 2y ago
        >groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment That's not how any of that works. Underage people can't just walk in off the street and "get treatment". That's literally insane. Just how gullible are you? So what's your source? You saw it on Twitter?
        jtbayly 2y ago
        Here is a first-hand account, written by a queer woman married to a transman, who worked in one such clinic: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
        mthoms 2y ago
        While the issues raised in that piece (and the Times follow up) are absolutely valid, they aren't anywhere near what your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment. Nonsense. So what's the tally at now? Is that the 4th time you've made a misleading comment on this topic, or just the 3rd? I've lost track. Look, if your position is motivated by ideology (and supported only by isolated anecdotes) that's fine. Just don't pretend you're making your decision based on the available facts and expect anyone to take you seriously.
- qwytw 2y ago
  > Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide? Either you think that the majority of the population in Malaysia or the US identify identify as LGBT+ or you're really struggling with basic statistics and reasoning. > prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)? Presumably the idea would be to reduce it to some number lower than 6. Or do you believe the majority of people in the US are killing themselves because of "Awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters"?
  - jtbayly 2y ago
    As I said, “These are generalized rates, of course” If the idea is to reduce it below 6 by preventing a few suicides per year (which is not likely), how confident are you that destroying the culture of the nation in the process will not cause the number to rise to 14?

Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide? I know you were implying the opposite, but how many suicides are you going to prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)? These are generalized rates, of course, but in point of fact, your claim is not substantiated by any real data.

mthoms 2y ago
You're unaware of data to support the claim that social acceptance of LGBTQ people (particularly children) lowers their suicide rates? Really? This fact is well established and also makes perfect sense logically speaking. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajcp.12553 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953622001666 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362... https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/#support-youth There's plenty more if you care to just Google it. The rest of your comment is ridiculous because obviously there is more than one contributing factor to suicide. Including (perhaps) latitude. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9822839/
- jtbayly 2y ago
  I’ve done much more than randomly Google it. I’ve read about it in depth. Encouraging people to be LGBT has resulted in massive increases in number of people claiming to be trans, for example. Assuming they have the “best” case scenario of an affirming home, apparently 14% attempt suicide, according to your third link. Now let me ask you, how many people have we killed by “affirming” these things to the point that it’s actually cool to be trans in most schools? We’re driving up the denominator on the highest risk category for suicide while pretending that that very thing will reduce suicide.
  - piperswe 2y ago
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    - jtbayly 2y ago
      If trans is real the only thing we have to go on is whether people claim they are or not. You deny their claim? That’s what all of the data on the sites linked above is based on: people who claim they are trans. Read the accounts of people working in the clinics about groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment, and it is clear there is a mass psychogenic illness that has been caused by the promotion of trans sexuality.
      - mthoms 2y ago
        >groups of girlfriends from the same class coming in and getting treatment That's not how any of that works. Underage people can't just walk in off the street and "get treatment". That's literally insane. Just how gullible are you? So what's your source? You saw it on Twitter?
        jtbayly 2y ago
        Here is a first-hand account, written by a queer woman married to a transman, who worked in one such clinic: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
        mthoms 2y ago
        While the issues raised in that piece (and the Times follow up) are absolutely valid, they aren't anywhere near what your absurd exaggeration claimed: that children can just walk in off the street with their friends and get treatment. Nonsense. So what's the tally at now? Is that the 4th time you've made a misleading comment on this topic, or just the 3rd? I've lost track. Look, if your position is motivated by ideology (and supported only by isolated anecdotes) that's fine. Just don't pretend you're making your decision based on the available facts and expect anyone to take you seriously.
qwytw 2y ago
> Is that why the average suicide rate is lower in majority Muslim countries? Awareness presumably increases suicide? Either you think that the majority of the population in Malaysia or the US identify identify as LGBT+ or you're really struggling with basic statistics and reasoning. > prevent by making Malaysia’s rate (6/100k) similar to the US (14/100k)? Presumably the idea would be to reduce it to some number lower than 6. Or do you believe the majority of people in the US are killing themselves because of "Awareness and acceptance on LGBT matters"?
- jtbayly 2y ago
  As I said, “These are generalized rates, of course” If the idea is to reduce it below 6 by preventing a few suicides per year (which is not likely), how confident are you that destroying the culture of the nation in the process will not cause the number to rise to 14?