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Louis rossmann video talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euh13nd10g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euh13nd10g Had a decision earlier this ye

Louis rossmann video talking about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euh13nd10g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euh13nd10g Had a decision earlier this year to buy a Tesla vs a dumber car. 2019 Silverado I think has the best middle ground on terms of "smart" tech that is still easy to repair and doesn't sell my info to insurance companies.

garbagewoman 2y ago
Its ok, nobody asked for Louis Rossmans disingenuous take on anything
- wruza 2y ago
  Why hate the guy? He has a real repair shop afaik, and mostly talks sense.
  - garbagewoman 2y ago
    If you know the vaguest thing about the topic he is talking about, you will know that he frequently omits critical context in order to get clicks. I am guessing that is what you mean by “mostly talks sense”
    - userbinator 2y ago
      Unfortunately that's a disease that has infected nearly all Youtubers beyond a certain level of popularity.
    - wruza 2y ago
      There’s an effect (forgot the name) when you read an article about your area of expertise and think it’s awful. But then you read something you don’t know in the same journal and its okay. Are you sure that’s not the case here? I mean, I don’t watch Louis and blocked him due to my non-interest and him being populist-ish with auditory, but talking this way about him is too much, imo.
      - garbagewoman 2y ago
        This isn’t about the effect you are referring to. He has domain knowledge about what he is talking about. He isn’t Fox News 6 Cincinnati.
        wruza 2y ago
        This reference doesn’t help me understand the issue. He disingenuous and omits critical context, isn’t fox news. Well, fine, I guess.
topspin 2y ago
> still easy to repair By the time you get to 2019 and the GM T1XX platform the entire drivetrain is as complex as any modern vehicle: AFM/DFM, VVT, E85, Active Thermal Management, Start/Stop, 10L80/90, dynamic stability, etc. In other words, once it starts breaking down out of warranty, repair is uneconomic: non-dealer shops and owners don't have the tools, can't get affordable parts and aren't qualified to do the work, just like all other modern vehicles. The last years that GM trucks were actually easy and cost effective to repair, but still relatively "modern" (decent PCM, effective air bags, standard anti-lock, etc.,) were 1999-2006 (GMT800) and 2007-2014 (GMT900), the former more so than the latter. Any professional mechanic can successfully repair almost anything on the vehicle and parts are readily available at reasonable cost.
- moandcompany 2y ago
  Mid-2000s era car technology seems to have been the sweet spot across most brands for technology improvements while still having practical serviceability and maintainability.
  - topspin 2y ago
    I'd agree with that timeline with regard to US domestic truck platforms, which famously lagged cars in complexity by about a decade. A lot of 2000's cars definitely do not qualify. The notion of a "sweet spot" is valid. All the classic safety and reliability problems were solved, yet the vehicles (again, truck platforms) are tractable in terms of service.
- DougN7 2y ago
  I don’t think manufacturers are purposely making the cars harder to repair - they have to meet stricter and stricter fuel and air quality standards, so need more and more tech to squeeze out more /same performance while burning less fuel, or burning more thoroughly.
  - topspin 2y ago
    Sure. This is all self evident. Understanding the motivations of manufacturers, however, yields little value: the products they're making now are post-warranty disposable, despite the staggering cost and whatever intent manufacturers might have. All of this has produced amazing ICE engineering. GM's base model gas truck engine, the L3B, is making 325hp from 166ci under 27psi of boost. Such ratios tell you everything you need to know about the long term fate of that drivetrain: there is zero margin for error, because everything is operating very near the limit of materials science and the capabilities of advanced manufacturing. When it fails, shortly after the warranty expires, fixing it will not be economic.

garbagewoman 2y ago

Its ok, nobody asked for Louis Rossmans disingenuous take on anything

wruza 2y ago
Why hate the guy? He has a real repair shop afaik, and mostly talks sense.
- garbagewoman 2y ago
  If you know the vaguest thing about the topic he is talking about, you will know that he frequently omits critical context in order to get clicks. I am guessing that is what you mean by “mostly talks sense”
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Unfortunately that's a disease that has infected nearly all Youtubers beyond a certain level of popularity.
  - wruza 2y ago
    There’s an effect (forgot the name) when you read an article about your area of expertise and think it’s awful. But then you read something you don’t know in the same journal and its okay. Are you sure that’s not the case here? I mean, I don’t watch Louis and blocked him due to my non-interest and him being populist-ish with auditory, but talking this way about him is too much, imo.
    - garbagewoman 2y ago
      This isn’t about the effect you are referring to. He has domain knowledge about what he is talking about. He isn’t Fox News 6 Cincinnati.
      - wruza 2y ago
        This reference doesn’t help me understand the issue. He disingenuous and omits critical context, isn’t fox news. Well, fine, I guess.

topspin 2y ago

> still easy to repair By the time you get to 2019 and the GM T1XX platform the entire drivetrain is as complex as any modern vehicle: AFM/DFM, VVT, E85, Active Thermal Management, Start/Stop, 10L80/90, dynamic stability, etc. In other words, once it starts breaking down out of warranty, repair is uneconomic: non-dealer shops and owners don't have the tools, can't get affordable parts and aren't qualified to do the work, just like all other modern vehicles. The last years that GM trucks were actually easy and cost effective to repair, but still relatively "modern" (decent PCM, effective air bags, standard anti-lock, etc.,) were 1999-2006 (GMT800) and 2007-2014 (GMT900), the former more so than the latter. Any professional mechanic can successfully repair almost anything on the vehicle and parts are readily available at reasonable cost.

moandcompany 2y ago
Mid-2000s era car technology seems to have been the sweet spot across most brands for technology improvements while still having practical serviceability and maintainability.
- topspin 2y ago
  I'd agree with that timeline with regard to US domestic truck platforms, which famously lagged cars in complexity by about a decade. A lot of 2000's cars definitely do not qualify. The notion of a "sweet spot" is valid. All the classic safety and reliability problems were solved, yet the vehicles (again, truck platforms) are tractable in terms of service.
DougN7 2y ago
I don’t think manufacturers are purposely making the cars harder to repair - they have to meet stricter and stricter fuel and air quality standards, so need more and more tech to squeeze out more /same performance while burning less fuel, or burning more thoroughly.
- topspin 2y ago
  Sure. This is all self evident. Understanding the motivations of manufacturers, however, yields little value: the products they're making now are post-warranty disposable, despite the staggering cost and whatever intent manufacturers might have. All of this has produced amazing ICE engineering. GM's base model gas truck engine, the L3B, is making 325hp from 166ci under 27psi of boost. Such ratios tell you everything you need to know about the long term fate of that drivetrain: there is zero margin for error, because everything is operating very near the limit of materials science and the capabilities of advanced manufacturing. When it fails, shortly after the warranty expires, fixing it will not be economic.