> rather than trying to compete with 25-year-olds with a strong STEM background, but poor real-life experience. I have never seen this happen. All the new grad

> rather than trying to compete with 25-year-olds with a strong STEM background, but poor real-life experience. I have never seen this happen. All the new grads I've ever worked with (from Ivy league schools as well) are pretty much incapable of doing anything without a lot of handholding, they lack so much of everything, experience, context, business knowledge, political awareness, technical knowledge (I still can't believe "designing data intensive applications" isn't a required read in college for people that want big tech jobs) and even the STEM stuff (if they're so good why do i have to explain why we don't use averages?). Which is fine, they are new to the market, so they need to be educated. Other than CRUD apps, i doubt these people can do anything complex without supervision, we're not even in the same league to compete with each other.