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Blame Nvidia for that one. They have actively refused to work with the community for the longest time.

jsheard 2y ago
I don't think the average person cares whose fault it is, they just want their computer to work, and Nvidia has incredible mindshare over on the Windows side of the fence so most people are going to keep buying their hardware and almost immediately running into problems when they give Linux a shot.
WiredSlumber 2y ago
Wayland is being pushed out more and more, and it still has many problems for me on my Nvidia card. I know it is mostly Nvidia fault, but at the end of the day, I am not here to assign blame, I just want to use my PC.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  You can just... not use wayland. The "push" is easy to defy. Just don't use it.
  - redserk 2y ago
    So just switch to Linux from Windows and immediately start deviating from distribution-supported defaults… This suggestion comes up implicitly in a lot of weird hardware cases. It really isn’t a selling point for a user wanting a good first (or recurring) impression. Just to call out: X11 isn’t all rainbows and unicorns either. Wayland (for the various defects I’ve encountered) is a desperately needed improvement.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      If you're scared to deviate from defaults you're not going to ever see wayland in the first place, so relax.
      - oefnak 2y ago
        I thought it was default on Ubuntu
        lupusreal 2y ago
        The default on virtually any computer is Windows or MacOS. If you're scared of deviating from defaults you'll not have to worry about Ubuntu. Okay, so you're willing to change your whole operating system to something which is quite different than what you're used to.. but you're not willing to switch off of Wayland even though you know you don't like wayland and know the alternative fixes your problem, because you feel somehow compelled to stick with a default? Makes no sense. You should either not use wayland, either by sticking with windows or switching to X11, or buy hardware that supports wayland better, or learn to live with wayland as it is without feeling sorry for yourself. Using wayland even though you don't like it is 100% a self-inflicted harm. Nobody is making you do that, the "push" is in your head. Just stop doing that.
        WiredSlumber 2y ago
        Well I use X11, because Wayland is just not there yet, at least for my particular hardware, but it is true that more and more distros come with Wayland as the default. Linux can't become more widely used, if the answer for anyone installing a wide array of distros is, if your pc has a GPU that 90% of pcs have you should immediately change this default setting. It is fine to be a power user and mess with your system, but the default configuration should have the expectation of working well on as wide array of hardware as possible.
- nzeid 2y ago
  Worth mentioning that I've had AMD blow up on Wayland as well, so I only have my one device with an Intel iGPU running Wayland. Everything else X11.
tedunangst 2y ago
I would blame the people who insist that of course Linux will just work, I don't need to worry about it.
tiberious726 2y ago
I agree, but it doesn't matter who is to blame. It still doesn't work.
abenga 2y ago
For a month, I've been running an experiment (on a desktop running Sid). I removed the proprietary drivers and just used the nouveau drivers with my 2070S. Everything mostly just … works? Sharing screens on Meet, Slack, and Teams, four monitors with varying DPI, everything just works. I do not play games or do any GPU heavy stuff though, so ymmv. Still planning to replace it with an AMD card though.
- smcnally 2y ago
  Until starting to work with local LLMs, I’d used nouveau / libre drivers for years without major issues. It’s sort of amazing how much troubleshooting and wrestling is involved getting CUDA working with older, newer or middling hardware.

I don't think the average person cares whose fault it is, they just want their computer to work, and Nvidia has incredible mindshare over on the Windows side of the fence so most people are going to keep buying their hardware and almost immediately running into problems when they give Linux a shot.

WiredSlumber 2y ago

Wayland is being pushed out more and more, and it still has many problems for me on my Nvidia card. I know it is mostly Nvidia fault, but at the end of the day, I am not here to assign blame, I just want to use my PC.

lupusreal 2y ago
You can just... not use wayland. The "push" is easy to defy. Just don't use it.
- redserk 2y ago
  So just switch to Linux from Windows and immediately start deviating from distribution-supported defaults… This suggestion comes up implicitly in a lot of weird hardware cases. It really isn’t a selling point for a user wanting a good first (or recurring) impression. Just to call out: X11 isn’t all rainbows and unicorns either. Wayland (for the various defects I’ve encountered) is a desperately needed improvement.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    If you're scared to deviate from defaults you're not going to ever see wayland in the first place, so relax.
    - oefnak 2y ago
      I thought it was default on Ubuntu
      - lupusreal 2y ago
        The default on virtually any computer is Windows or MacOS. If you're scared of deviating from defaults you'll not have to worry about Ubuntu. Okay, so you're willing to change your whole operating system to something which is quite different than what you're used to.. but you're not willing to switch off of Wayland even though you know you don't like wayland and know the alternative fixes your problem, because you feel somehow compelled to stick with a default? Makes no sense. You should either not use wayland, either by sticking with windows or switching to X11, or buy hardware that supports wayland better, or learn to live with wayland as it is without feeling sorry for yourself. Using wayland even though you don't like it is 100% a self-inflicted harm. Nobody is making you do that, the "push" is in your head. Just stop doing that.
        WiredSlumber 2y ago
        Well I use X11, because Wayland is just not there yet, at least for my particular hardware, but it is true that more and more distros come with Wayland as the default. Linux can't become more widely used, if the answer for anyone installing a wide array of distros is, if your pc has a GPU that 90% of pcs have you should immediately change this default setting. It is fine to be a power user and mess with your system, but the default configuration should have the expectation of working well on as wide array of hardware as possible.
nzeid 2y ago
Worth mentioning that I've had AMD blow up on Wayland as well, so I only have my one device with an Intel iGPU running Wayland. Everything else X11.

tedunangst 2y ago

I would blame the people who insist that of course Linux will just work, I don't need to worry about it.

tiberious726 2y ago

I agree, but it doesn't matter who is to blame. It still doesn't work.

abenga 2y ago

For a month, I've been running an experiment (on a desktop running Sid). I removed the proprietary drivers and just used the nouveau drivers with my 2070S. Everything mostly just … works? Sharing screens on Meet, Slack, and Teams, four monitors with varying DPI, everything just works. I do not play games or do any GPU heavy stuff though, so ymmv. Still planning to replace it with an AMD card though.

smcnally 2y ago
Until starting to work with local LLMs, I’d used nouveau / libre drivers for years without major issues. It’s sort of amazing how much troubleshooting and wrestling is involved getting CUDA working with older, newer or middling hardware.