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And then they redesign everything every time. W8, W10, W11 - W11 is the biggest offender with changing the context menu. The only positive thing I can say about

And then they redesign everything every time. W8, W10, W11 - W11 is the biggest offender with changing the context menu. The only positive thing I can say about Windows these days is it does work really really really well with touchscreen input.

SR2Z 2y ago
> The only positive thing I can say about Windows these days is it does work really really really well with touchscreen input. This was always the point, wasn't it? MS wanted Windows to compete more closely with the iPad with the Surface - it just turned out that only parts of what they tried were good (the Metro style turned into Fluent). I've been using Windows since 98 and I frankly feel like the current UX is at a high point. It's responsive, thoughtfully laid-out, and supports modern stuff like omnisearch (I have configured my Start Menu to NOT give me Bing results) and multiple desktops. The enshittification is a real shame because I've been really enjoying the changes.
inhumantsar 2y ago
imho as a surface pro user who doesn't use the keyboard cover, that's a significant overstatement. it's much, much better than it used to be, but there are so many inconsistencies and annoyances that I would be hard pressed to recommend it. selecting text is painful. the on-screen keyboard is decent but swipe input won't register half the time and it routinely fails to open when it should or stay closed when it shouldn't. with a pen, it's extremely picky with tap inputs. if the pen tip moves even a mm after touching, it's registered as a mouse drag, and unlike with mice there's no way to adjust the sensitivity or register a deadzone. handwriting to text is ok, but its constantly shifting interface regularly leads to errors and gestures like striking out or replacing a letter rarely works on the first (or even third) try. with both pen and osk, text prediction / spell correct is utterly moronic. often reaching for unusual words or proper names instead of a more common word. I will give them credit for getting to this point and I'm sure many of the inconsistencies come from having to support a wide variety of apps and backwards compatibility. regardless tho, it will be a long while yet before it's usable as a touchscreen-primary OS, let alone "really good".
- ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
  There was a big downgrade I forgot about. On W10 you can use the full keyboard layout and undock it to move it where you want. On W11 this changed and once you undock the full keyboard layout it becomes a different layout. This has bitten me quite a bit as some fullscreen applications will disappear behind the keyboard. Also it is impossible to turn off text prediction on the keyboard. I don't want and need it so it blocks screen space. Surface Go 3.

SR2Z 2y ago

> The only positive thing I can say about Windows these days is it does work really really really well with touchscreen input. This was always the point, wasn't it? MS wanted Windows to compete more closely with the iPad with the Surface - it just turned out that only parts of what they tried were good (the Metro style turned into Fluent). I've been using Windows since 98 and I frankly feel like the current UX is at a high point. It's responsive, thoughtfully laid-out, and supports modern stuff like omnisearch (I have configured my Start Menu to NOT give me Bing results) and multiple desktops. The enshittification is a real shame because I've been really enjoying the changes.

inhumantsar 2y ago

imho as a surface pro user who doesn't use the keyboard cover, that's a significant overstatement. it's much, much better than it used to be, but there are so many inconsistencies and annoyances that I would be hard pressed to recommend it. selecting text is painful. the on-screen keyboard is decent but swipe input won't register half the time and it routinely fails to open when it should or stay closed when it shouldn't. with a pen, it's extremely picky with tap inputs. if the pen tip moves even a mm after touching, it's registered as a mouse drag, and unlike with mice there's no way to adjust the sensitivity or register a deadzone. handwriting to text is ok, but its constantly shifting interface regularly leads to errors and gestures like striking out or replacing a letter rarely works on the first (or even third) try. with both pen and osk, text prediction / spell correct is utterly moronic. often reaching for unusual words or proper names instead of a more common word. I will give them credit for getting to this point and I'm sure many of the inconsistencies come from having to support a wide variety of apps and backwards compatibility. regardless tho, it will be a long while yet before it's usable as a touchscreen-primary OS, let alone "really good".

ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
There was a big downgrade I forgot about. On W10 you can use the full keyboard layout and undock it to move it where you want. On W11 this changed and once you undock the full keyboard layout it becomes a different layout. This has bitten me quite a bit as some fullscreen applications will disappear behind the keyboard. Also it is impossible to turn off text prediction on the keyboard. I don't want and need it so it blocks screen space. Surface Go 3.