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Trying to improve HTTP and Web performance strikes me as pretty pointless when I have enough bandwidth to stream 1080p video, low enough latency to play real-ti

by gary_0 2y ago

Trying to improve HTTP and Web performance strikes me as pretty pointless when I have enough bandwidth to stream 1080p video, low enough latency to play real-time games, and a CPU 1000x more powerful than the one I first went online with. The only thing slowing browsers down is the mind-boggling amount of ads, trackers, and junk weighing down most sites. And the tech I use to fix that issue is uBlock Origin, not anything that Google invents. Everything Google forces into Web standards these days isn't for ordinary developers like us. It's so they can cram more ads in our faces or save 0.1% on their datacenter budget.

endofreach 2y ago
As currently there are more new browsers coming along, maybe it's time for a new spec, exclude big corps & start from scratch with all the good stuff. I mean the sad reality is, the best thing that could happen is for mozilla to die. Then google would get into monopoly issues & we'd end up somewhere similar. Just now, the people who really care, have the chance to lead it & mozilla mustn't die.. FORK THE SYSTEM!
TheNewsIsHere 2y ago
Slightly tangential rant — I use an application firewall to actively allow/deny network connection attempts. It takes a bunch of tuning for the first month or so, but it’s then far less intrusive. It’s worth a week of click-ops’ing all of your network usage. Paired with DNS adblocking and enabling JavaScript on a per-domain basis, I am continually astonished at how garbage ridden the Internet has become anytime I’m outside of my network moat. I don’t think there’s any one answer, but I think a lot of it is laziness, greed, and a lack of care. Seriously, why is Stripe on (figuratively) _every_ page? Maybe that’s just lazy development. But why does Azure’s US marketing/pricing site load Google Brazil includes? Why does the 1Password web vault need to connect to marketing clouds? I was visiting a site yesterday where the mobile experience was basically top to bottom ads, and then when you start scrolling one of those annoying “Login or sign up with your Google Account” popups took up the whole bottom half. The site was basically unusable.
- Doxin 2y ago
  > why is Stripe on (figuratively) _every_ page? Stripe recommends this for fraud prevention. I assume they check for reasonable browsing behavior before purchasing?
lern_too_spel 2y ago
That low latency gaming is from putting servers very close to you. This is not feasible for most of the web.
- notpushkin 2y ago
  CDNs are a thing. Edge hosting (like Fly.io) is another, although I’m not convinced by the benefits.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  ... that is the web, websites have the novelty of being able to leverage eventual consistency; games are more real time
- szszrk 2y ago
  20 years ago we were playing with lower latencies than a typical modern AAA online game today. People simply played servers that were actually local - their country or even neighborhood. You could do have a constant 15ms ping on quake easily for a public server, or sub 5ms if it was friends from same uni or similar network. Modern AAA just puts it in "Europe West" cloud region and is done, which means realistically 50ms+ for everyone (35ms being great result) and constant raging because of huge peakers advantage and mechanisms compensating that. Servers were truly were people were. Partially because server software were available for the players to selfhost. Large centralized modern approach was supposed to solve many things like cheating on amateur servers but that was a failed promise.

by gary_0 2y ago

endofreach 2y ago

As currently there are more new browsers coming along, maybe it's time for a new spec, exclude big corps & start from scratch with all the good stuff. I mean the sad reality is, the best thing that could happen is for mozilla to die. Then google would get into monopoly issues & we'd end up somewhere similar. Just now, the people who really care, have the chance to lead it & mozilla mustn't die.. FORK THE SYSTEM!

TheNewsIsHere 2y ago

Slightly tangential rant — I use an application firewall to actively allow/deny network connection attempts. It takes a bunch of tuning for the first month or so, but it’s then far less intrusive. It’s worth a week of click-ops’ing all of your network usage. Paired with DNS adblocking and enabling JavaScript on a per-domain basis, I am continually astonished at how garbage ridden the Internet has become anytime I’m outside of my network moat. I don’t think there’s any one answer, but I think a lot of it is laziness, greed, and a lack of care. Seriously, why is Stripe on (figuratively) _every_ page? Maybe that’s just lazy development. But why does Azure’s US marketing/pricing site load Google Brazil includes? Why does the 1Password web vault need to connect to marketing clouds? I was visiting a site yesterday where the mobile experience was basically top to bottom ads, and then when you start scrolling one of those annoying “Login or sign up with your Google Account” popups took up the whole bottom half. The site was basically unusable.

Doxin 2y ago
> why is Stripe on (figuratively) _every_ page? Stripe recommends this for fraud prevention. I assume they check for reasonable browsing behavior before purchasing?

lern_too_spel 2y ago

That low latency gaming is from putting servers very close to you. This is not feasible for most of the web.

notpushkin 2y ago
CDNs are a thing. Edge hosting (like Fly.io) is another, although I’m not convinced by the benefits.
bravetraveler 2y ago
... that is the web, websites have the novelty of being able to leverage eventual consistency; games are more real time
szszrk 2y ago
20 years ago we were playing with lower latencies than a typical modern AAA online game today. People simply played servers that were actually local - their country or even neighborhood. You could do have a constant 15ms ping on quake easily for a public server, or sub 5ms if it was friends from same uni or similar network. Modern AAA just puts it in "Europe West" cloud region and is done, which means realistically 50ms+ for everyone (35ms being great result) and constant raging because of huge peakers advantage and mechanisms compensating that. Servers were truly were people were. Partially because server software were available for the players to selfhost. Large centralized modern approach was supposed to solve many things like cheating on amateur servers but that was a failed promise.