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So you can show me pictures of when western militaries walked through cities and raped and executed civilians?

by llamaimperative 2y ago

immibis 2y ago
That would be a picture of any Western military operation in any foreign city.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Interesting opinion
tmottabr 2y ago
Pictures exactly no, but i can show you evidence that it did happened.. Rape and murder in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings Murder in Afghanistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2003_journalist_killings_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2003_journalist_killings... the war crimes pages for the us and uk has more stuff covering the middle east invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes Hell, if you look for you will find dozens upon dozens of cases of innocent being murdered by law enforcement WITHIN THE WEST, why the hell would you think that it is not happening in foreign soil as well, where there much less oversight..
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Gotta love these comments. Do you think that 5 service members raping someone, getting charged by the military, then getting sentenced to prison for decades is the same as what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine, for example in Bucha? Can you link me to the articles about those soldiers being held accountable for their crimes? If no, then obviously they are not equal.
  - tmottabr 2y ago
    Oh Yeah, lets tell that 14 years old girl that her being rape and murdered with her family is fine because the soldier were held accountable.. But i was thinking more on line of who knows how many times more that happened and it was successfully covered up like they tried, and failed, to do in this case.. Or on the lines of the Abu Ghraib prison where torture, sexual assault, rape, murder and desecration took place because the government authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques".. A case that had the US government arguing that humanitarian laws like the Geneva convention did not apply to US interrogators oversea.. And that required a supreme court ruling to tell then that those laws indeed do apply to then.. And the people that were held accountable just were because journalists denounced what was going on and in the end they only prosecuted the soldiers, the higher ups that approved it did not face any major consequence.. This one have some pictures for you since you wanted some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... US also used "enhanced interrogation techniques" in Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp, again authorized by Bush administration. There is no evidence of rape here but not that it make it much better.. Had already mentioned that in case you missed.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp Anxiously waiting your mental gymnastic to tell us how the US disregarding the international humanitarian laws and Geneva convention is fine.. West and the Russian are two sides of the same turd (and the rest of the world is not far behind).. the only difference is that the west want to play righteous and have to save face so they work to cover it up while the Russians just don't care and do it in the open.. In the end, you can stand in your made up pedestal as much as you want and think the west is better, the rest of the world knows the truth you like it or not..
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      I'm not saying any of this is fine, I'm saying they're not equally bad. By analogy, a society that allows Crime X to happen with no repercussions is clearly and actually worse than a society in which Crime X occurs, but has repercussions. The actions themselves could even be equally bad, and the society that produced them would not be equally bad. If you'd like evidence, please consider whether you have any preference about your family moving to the United States, Russia, Iran, or North Korea. All have crime, all have engaged in war, all have committed crimes against humanity. Therefore equal? This is obvious for all but the most talented gymnasts :)

So you can show me pictures of when western militaries walked through cities and raped and executed civilians?

immibis 2y ago

That would be a picture of any Western military operation in any foreign city.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Interesting opinion

tmottabr 2y ago

Pictures exactly no, but i can show you evidence that it did happened.. Rape and murder in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings Murder in Afghanistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2003_journalist_killings_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2003_journalist_killings... the war crimes pages for the us and uk has more stuff covering the middle east invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes Hell, if you look for you will find dozens upon dozens of cases of innocent being murdered by law enforcement WITHIN THE WEST, why the hell would you think that it is not happening in foreign soil as well, where there much less oversight..

llamaimperative 2y ago
Gotta love these comments. Do you think that 5 service members raping someone, getting charged by the military, then getting sentenced to prison for decades is the same as what Russian soldiers are doing in Ukraine, for example in Bucha? Can you link me to the articles about those soldiers being held accountable for their crimes? If no, then obviously they are not equal.
- tmottabr 2y ago
  Oh Yeah, lets tell that 14 years old girl that her being rape and murdered with her family is fine because the soldier were held accountable.. But i was thinking more on line of who knows how many times more that happened and it was successfully covered up like they tried, and failed, to do in this case.. Or on the lines of the Abu Ghraib prison where torture, sexual assault, rape, murder and desecration took place because the government authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques".. A case that had the US government arguing that humanitarian laws like the Geneva convention did not apply to US interrogators oversea.. And that required a supreme court ruling to tell then that those laws indeed do apply to then.. And the people that were held accountable just were because journalists denounced what was going on and in the end they only prosecuted the soldiers, the higher ups that approved it did not face any major consequence.. This one have some pictures for you since you wanted some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... US also used "enhanced interrogation techniques" in Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp, again authorized by Bush administration. There is no evidence of rape here but not that it make it much better.. Had already mentioned that in case you missed.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp Anxiously waiting your mental gymnastic to tell us how the US disregarding the international humanitarian laws and Geneva convention is fine.. West and the Russian are two sides of the same turd (and the rest of the world is not far behind).. the only difference is that the west want to play righteous and have to save face so they work to cover it up while the Russians just don't care and do it in the open.. In the end, you can stand in your made up pedestal as much as you want and think the west is better, the rest of the world knows the truth you like it or not..
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I'm not saying any of this is fine, I'm saying they're not equally bad. By analogy, a society that allows Crime X to happen with no repercussions is clearly and actually worse than a society in which Crime X occurs, but has repercussions. The actions themselves could even be equally bad, and the society that produced them would not be equally bad. If you'd like evidence, please consider whether you have any preference about your family moving to the United States, Russia, Iran, or North Korea. All have crime, all have engaged in war, all have committed crimes against humanity. Therefore equal? This is obvious for all but the most talented gymnasts :)