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I do agree. I’ve been working on a month long hackathon recently with a team & one of the issues we have is that since none of us know each other well, we’re a

by _lvbh 2y ago

I do agree. I’ve been working on a month long hackathon recently with a team & one of the issues we have is that since none of us know each other well, we’re a bit more reserved. This has meant that some team members have gone down really stupid paths or coded with extremely bad style (tons of magic numbers, xyz as variable names, no type hints, etc) with nobody to stop them. I wish I had the ability to call them out but when they’re an Oxford graduate and you’re just a Cardiff nobody, it’s hard to say anything without angering the whole group.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
It must be hard working with people who strongly identify with their college like that. My team is remote so they wouldn't recognize the name of my college if I told them, and I don't know where they studied. We do reviews on every PR, so we got used to saying "try it this way instead" or at least asking "why is it like this and not like that?"
- lolc 2y ago
  I've gotten into the habit of just trying what was suggested. Often it's in an area that was a bit neglected and can use a brush up anyway. If it doesn't end up well we can look at the commit and agree that the improvement isn't there, and discuss where to go. Revert or push further. Or maybe I misunderstood. And often I'm surprised that what looked like an equivalent alternative to me, turns out to be much nicer. It requires broad agreement on the way the thing is to be built. Otherwise haggling over details is not useful.
ragnardan 2y ago
You have the ability, you are choosing not to act on it for fear of reprisal. There isn't another industry I can think of in which you can become top of the heap without formal education like you can in tech. If you have questions, ask them. If you have suggestions, try to pose them tactfully but confidently. If they look down their nose and scoff based on school status, you know exactly who is placing emphasis in the wrong things, and you can somewhat discount their perspective. The best teams are the ones in which the intern can pipe up in a senior meeting and be taken seriously based on their merit, not social standing.
fragmede 2y ago
psh. call them out and denigrate their oxford degree while you're at it. People from Oxford should know better! I went to Cardiff and I can see that's stupid, so surely you, with your better upbringing can see that it's totally obvious that it should not be done this way. let them be mad at you. unless they have firing authority over you, who cares?

by _lvbh 2y ago

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

It must be hard working with people who strongly identify with their college like that. My team is remote so they wouldn't recognize the name of my college if I told them, and I don't know where they studied. We do reviews on every PR, so we got used to saying "try it this way instead" or at least asking "why is it like this and not like that?"

lolc 2y ago
I've gotten into the habit of just trying what was suggested. Often it's in an area that was a bit neglected and can use a brush up anyway. If it doesn't end up well we can look at the commit and agree that the improvement isn't there, and discuss where to go. Revert or push further. Or maybe I misunderstood. And often I'm surprised that what looked like an equivalent alternative to me, turns out to be much nicer. It requires broad agreement on the way the thing is to be built. Otherwise haggling over details is not useful.

ragnardan 2y ago

You have the ability, you are choosing not to act on it for fear of reprisal. There isn't another industry I can think of in which you can become top of the heap without formal education like you can in tech. If you have questions, ask them. If you have suggestions, try to pose them tactfully but confidently. If they look down their nose and scoff based on school status, you know exactly who is placing emphasis in the wrong things, and you can somewhat discount their perspective. The best teams are the ones in which the intern can pipe up in a senior meeting and be taken seriously based on their merit, not social standing.

fragmede 2y ago

psh. call them out and denigrate their oxford degree while you're at it. People from Oxford should know better! I went to Cardiff and I can see that's stupid, so surely you, with your better upbringing can see that it's totally obvious that it should not be done this way. let them be mad at you. unless they have firing authority over you, who cares?